Dueling Weapon Property and Enhancement Bonus


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Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Rulebook Subscriber

So this is for the Dueling weapon property in the Pathfinder Society Field guide and not the one in the APG (glaring eyes at editors for two things called the same damn thing.)

Dueling grants a luck bonus = twice the enhancement bonus to a number of combat maneuvers done with the weapon. So the question I have, is it based on the permanent enhancement bonus of the weapon, or improved when Greater Magic Weapon is in effect?

For some raw text:

Dueling Weapon Property:
A dueling weapon bears magical enhancements that makes it particularly effective at performing certain combat maneuvers. When a dueling weapon is used to perform a combat maneuver that utilizes the weapon only (see below), it grants a luck bonus equal to twice its enhancement bonus on the CMB check made to carry out the maneuver. The dueling weapon also grants this same luck bonus to the wielder’s CMD score against these types of combat maneuvers. These combat maneuvers include disarm and trip maneuvers, but not bull rush, grapple, or overrun maneuvers. If you’re using the additional combat maneuvers in the Advanced Player’s Guide, this also includes any dirty trick maneuvers that utilize the weapon, as well as reposition combat maneuvers, but not drag or steal combat maneuvers. Note that this luck bonus stacks with the weapon’s enhancement bonus, which in and of itself adds to CMB checks normally.

greater magic weapon:

This spell functions like magic weapon, except that it gives a weapon an enhancement bonus on attack and damage rolls of +1 per four caster levels (maximum +5). This bonus does not allow a weapon to bypass damage reduction aside from magic.

I'm reading that raw as GMW give the weapon an enhancement bonus, and the the Dueling bonus is based off the weapon's enhancement bonus so it works. Do you think that is RAI?

Silver Crusade

It seems RAW and RAI. And to be honest, you probably already have a +X weapon if you have in the group someone able to cast GMW and provide this X bonus through his caster levels.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Rulebook Subscriber
Maxximilius wrote:
It seems RAW and RAI. And to be honest, you probably already have a +X weapon if you have in the group someone able to cast GMW and provide this X bonus through his caster levels.

It just scales scary fast, without having to pay for it, it is one of those things I hope I'm not "cheating" if I take it (not that a CMB build is so powerful.)

But if you buy a Dueling Whip +1, that would cost 8300g, it would grant you a total of +3 on trip checks, and is a weapon you could reasonably afford around level 8. As an inquisitor, at level 8 you could cast Greater Magic Weapon and grant +2, but +6 for trips. Level 12, +3, +9 for trips. It leaves you a lot of room on the item to enchant it with other cool stuff, and not bump it's base cost with enhancement bonuses.

Dark Archive

+1 dueling, furious whip on an inquisitor with the rage domain power....

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