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My group is looking to end up all sneakers (ninja, two rogues). I was thinking of trying to make a cleric rogue to go with the rest of the group. There is a pretty good PrC from 3.5, the shadowbane stalker, I had a few questions in pulling this off.
http://kahdnd.pbworks.com/w/page/5588986/Shadowbane%20Stalker
1)Is there an equivalent rogue/cleric PrC in Pathfinder already?
2)Is there a feat that allows you to level up your channel ability to character level after taking a dip in a channeling class? I'd almost rather scale up channel than spellcasting because channel is so powerful.
3)Most of the PF PrCs have low entry requirements. Shadowbane stalker is pretty much all skills. What would be reasonable to bring it into line with other PrCs?
1)No
2)Nope. Although I'm intrigued by the love of channel. Most people consider it a way to save charges on the Wand of Cure Light Wounds, and little more.
3)It isn't terribly powerful, so "as is" would probably be acceptable. Change the requirements to "Diplomacy or Knowledge(Local) 8 ranks, Perception 4 ranks, Sense Motive 4 ranks." You could even drop the 8 ranks to 5 or 6, and I doubt it would throw anything off.
If you want a sacred sneaker that is actually from Pathfinder, might I recommend the Inquisitor class? With the heretic archetype they are very, very good at stealth. Plus, they can get Tandem Stealth (or whatever it is called) as a bonus feat, and use it with solo tactics. How does taking the highest stealth roll of your companions, then adding your own bonus sound?
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1)No
2)Nope. Although I'm intrigued by the love of channel. Most people consider it a way to save charges on the Wand of Cure Light Wounds, and little more.
3)It isn't terribly powerful, so "as is" would probably be acceptable. Change the requirements to "Diplomacy or Knowledge(Local) 8 ranks, Perception 4 ranks, Sense Motive 4 ranks." You could even drop the 8 ranks to 5 or 6, and I doubt it would throw anything off.If you want a sacred sneaker that is actually from Pathfinder, might I recommend the Inquisitor class? With the heretic archetype they are very, very good at stealth. Plus, they can get Tandem Stealth (or whatever it is called) as a bonus feat, and use it with solo tactics. How does taking the highest stealth roll of your companions, then adding your own bonus sound?
/facepalm
Forgot the inquisitor entirely.Mostly I just want heals.
And channel's utility depends on party tactics. When the whole party is getting pounded, then channel basic allows the cleric to rewind the damage for a round or two. When only one or two party members get pounded on, then its not as useful.
And channel's utility depends on party tactics. When the whole party is getting pounded, then channel basic allows the cleric to rewind the damage for a round or two. When only one or two party members get pounded on, then its not as useful.
Don't forget that channeling will heal your enemies too. One of the funniest things is watching a player fire off a channel energy towards the end of a fight, and have half the bandits stand right back up. After all, NPCs don't die until -CON either.
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You will want the selective channeling feat to help with healing via channel in combat. Note it requires a Cha of 13--a lot of clerics dump that for some reason.
A phylactery of positive channeling is a nice magic item that can help boost the dice you are rolling.
Extra channel is nice. The two extra per day can also help make up for the fact that your channel will not be up to par.
I do have to ask what you really want out of the rogue class? If it is just stealth then traits can help with making stealth a class skill.
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/facepalm
Forgot the inquisitor entirely.
Mostly I just want heals.
And channel's utility depends on party tactics. When the whole party is getting pounded, then channel basic allows the cleric to rewind the damage for a round or two. When only one or two party members get pounded on, then its not as useful.
Healing and stealth in one class.
Ranger: Full BAB, Skills, & Wand healingBard: 3/4 BAB, Skills, wand healing, arcane spells, & performance buffs
Inquisitor: 3/4 BAB, Skills, healing, & Self only buffs
Oracle Mystery Wind: 3/4 BAB, Skills(Acrobatics and Stealth are class skills from Wind mystery), Healing, Divine Caster
If every one else in the group is going rogue, or ninja. Bard is your best option. Given most of the group will have 3/4 BAB the to hit bonus will help more then any thing else.
Here's some suggestions I found from Giant in the Playground forums...
Suggest:
- Cloistered Cleric-variant (if one exists in PF)
- Sacred Outlaw-feat [Dragon Mag. #357]: Stacks Cleric & Rogue for Sneak Attack & Turning (or in PF's case, Channeling) - of course you'll advance Cleric primarily with just enough Rogue to qualify.
- Able Learner [Races of Destiny]: Advance those Rogue-skills as Cleric thanks to the Cleric skill points.
- Divine Metamagic [Complete Divine] (Persistent Spell [Complete Arcane]): Allows you to Persist (make last 24 hours) buff-spells, including Divine Power and Divine Favor allowing you to actually HIT things. You may need Extra Channeling, Nightsticks [Libris Mortis] or such to get sufficient Turn attempts to make this pay off, but it's worth it.
Of course, you'll want to go over these suggestions with your DM to see what's appropriate for PF and what isnt' (like Nightsticks for one).
I'm also a fan of the Sacred Outlaw feat!
1)No
2)Nope. Although I'm intrigued by the love of channel. Most people consider it a way to save charges on the Wand of Cure Light Wounds, and little more.
3)It isn't terribly powerful, so "as is" would probably be acceptable. Change the requirements to "Diplomacy or Knowledge(Local) 8 ranks, Perception 4 ranks, Sense Motive 4 ranks." You could even drop the 8 ranks to 5 or 6, and I doubt it would throw anything off.If you want a sacred sneaker that is actually from Pathfinder, might I recommend the Inquisitor class? With the heretic archetype they are very, very good at stealth. Plus, they can get Tandem Stealth (or whatever it is called) as a bonus feat, and use it with solo tactics. How does taking the highest stealth roll of your companions, then adding your own bonus sound?
/facepalm
Forgot the inquisitor entirely.
Mostly I just want heals.
And channel's utility depends on party tactics. When the whole party is getting pounded, then channel basic allows the cleric to rewind the damage for a round or two. When only one or two party members get pounded on, then its not as useful.
You could also look at holy vindicator. It may not be optimal or obvious, but you could go for one with a buckler or small shield. Spells are not so fully advanced, but channel is and gets quite cool/unique, e.g. cone channelling. With the full BAB you could do some nasty things as well, plus it's only one level dip.