I'm in a homebrew campaign with a penchant for powergaming amongst the DM and players, and I'm looking for some advice on keeping inline with the rest of them.
The party consists of a Two weapon fighter, a Sorcerer, a Ranger/Rogue with the 'Hunter' trait (allows for sneak attack instead of wild empathy), and a Dragon Rider (starts with a young pet dragon, what?). We also have a Cleric NPC following us, though that may be short lived.
Currently we're level 4 and I'm sitting at Barbarian 2 Ranger 2 with Str 20, and fair to high other stats, having taken the 'rapid shot' extra attack rage power, and the Two-Handed specialty from the ranger. I'm aiming for a pathfinder rebuild of Wild Runner from 3.5 possibly, though anything right now is fair game. We're also leveling quickly and I don't wanna fall off the plate by level 10.
We just got a bunch of new players, so my GM is letting us rebuild our characters. I was considering inquisitor, or one of the full Bab. Any suggestions would be helpful.
Yea...."powergaming" and "dragon rider" don't belong in the same topic. Once you understand the class, it's really quite weak except in a few situations. I mean sure, great defenses other than AC, but barely more offensive capabilities than a Warrior. And at least they get Heavy Armor.
Also, two weapon fighting and powergaming don't really work well together.
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If you're interested in Inquisitor or full BAB, then here are your choices:
- Inquisitor
- Fighter
- Barbarian
- Paladin
- Ranger
- Cavalier
- Samurai
- Gunslinger
So, revised choices:
- Inquisitor - yes
- Barbarian - yes
- Paladin - maybe, do you think it would fit in?
- Cavalier - maybe, do you feel like playing a gnome or halfling?
- Samurai - maybe, do you think it would fit in?
- Gunslinger - maybe, do you think it would fit in?
- Fighter - no
- Ranger - no
Well, no matter what, I think the OP should be applauded for trying to fit in, and asking advice on how to, rather than trying to change the group.
I personally do not powergame (though I do optimize to a degree), but I respect that he is making an attempt at harmony in search of a good time. Too often we try to force a fit, and/or just wait for a chance to complain.
You seem to have a negative reaction to the Dragon Rider, is something about it bothering you? (I should note that at low levels the dragon rider is paying actions from himself for the dragon to act.)
Yea...."powergaming" and "dragon rider" don't belong in the same topic. Once you understand the class, it's really quite weak except in a few situations. I mean sure, great defenses other than AC, but barely more offensive capabilities than a Warrior. And at least they get Heavy Armor.
I dono if we've been running it wrong, but the player has been acting as though the dragon was an animal companion of sorts. It just seems very very cheesy to me is all. I'll take at a look at his build, he may be fudging some stuff.
Second, where is that 'Hunter trait' you mention? Is it homebrew? A cursory search turned up nothing for me.
It's from one of the splat books or magazines. It's not on the SRD. I haven't found it myself, but my GM is a bit of a munchkin and says he found it in some book about the wilds. It's a class variant, not a trait.
Also, can you tell me what rage power you took? I'm not familiar with any 'extra attack' rage power, and Rapid Shot is a feat.
My pardon, it was the Wild Rager Alternate feature for barbarian.
personally i dont think any of the players you just described are power gamers based on that class list. Also, two weapon fighting and powergaming don't really work well together.
They're doing their damnest with the stuff they've chosen. I'm not sure why they picked those classes, but the only one not actively attempting to "win" at the game is the two weapon fighter.
For Blueluck's list, the GM mentioned that anything is fair game, so even a samurai or ninja are playable, so long as I take the necessary stuff for them. Paladins can be other alignments (Focused on LAW or creating CHAOS rather than pure GOOD for example). I like the inquisitor, and have seen the power it can produce when built right, but the lack of full Bab makes me sad. I'm really open to anything, just looking for ideas right now.
Why should I not multiclass?
Why should I not multiclass?
You end up much more powerful by picking a class and sticking with it. The classes in PF are designed much better than they were in 3.5, so the base classes are more than just dips or 5 levels to qualify for a prestige class.
Why should I not multiclass?You end up much more powerful by picking a class and sticking with it. The classes in PF are designed much better than they were in 3.5, so the base classes are more than just dips or 5 levels to qualify for a prestige class.
Unless you make a barb 2 dip ragechemist, or a vivsectionist 2 dip barb.
Those are silly.
In theory i think that a shapeshifter ranger/barb could work.... maybe. But not as well.
Why should I not multiclass?You end up much more powerful by picking a class and sticking with it. The classes in PF are designed much better than they were in 3.5, so the base classes are more than just dips or 5 levels to qualify for a prestige class.Unless you make a barb 2 dip ragechemist, or a vivsectionist 2 dip barb.
Those are silly.
In theory i think that a shapeshifter ranger/barb could work.... maybe. But not as well.
You know I hadn't considered this aspect of alchemists very much, and it might do well for the character concept, since he already has wild rager and is a heavy drinker on the occasion. It might be just what he's looking for, very primal and such. Though a level or two in ranger or rogue for some sneak skills might be nice. Prowl up to them and pounce like a crazed, alch infused berzerking puma.
Would you say that the Ranger/Rogue is playing more like a Rogue or more like a Ranger?
Since you went with Wild Rager (a choice I personally would not take, the save or get confused thing just doesn't sit well with me, though it's not bad as a dip if your cha is garbage) I imagine you're looking to focus on damage output?
The Ranger/Rogue is definitely more of a Rogue type, and yes I suppose I am focused on dmg, though some ranger skills or some such might be nice to pick up at some point.