Incorporeal / DR Question


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Hallo,

first of all I have a question about "Incorporeal (Ex)" .
I want to know if I got things right here.

We fought against this guy here: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/outsiders/demon/shadow-de mon

Incorporeal means:

-when I use a Supernatural Abilitie like Slumber (Witch) it has a 50% chance to miss?

-Smite Evil ignores Damage Reduction and there is NO 50% chance to miss?

- With the spell bless normal weapons are treated as a magic weapon +1. So they would do 50% damage (he is immun to normal weapons).

DR:
- the monster has DR 10/cold iron or good. So if I fight the monster with a good weapon or cold iron steal ....there is no damage reduction?

(or has he damage reduction vs. a cold iron steal weapon? )

-with the spell bless from a good cleric can I bypass DR / good.

So in that cause vs the shadowdemon: Would a blessed weopon (the cleric lvl. 1 spell) do the full damge (full 50 % damage without DR cause of incorporeal)?

thx a lot for help :)


puksone wrote:

Incorporeal means:

-when I use a Supernatural Abilitie like Slumber (Witch) it has a 50% chance to miss?

Yes. There is a decision for GM to be made: does the Hex ignoreddue to incorporeality count as targeting the creature (and thus granting immunity to further uses of that hex by the same Witch on the target for the following 24 hours or not). Personaly I would say no, but it's my interpretation. Different GMs could handle it otherwise.

Quote:

DR:

- the monster has DR 10/cold iron or good. So if I fight the monster with a good weapon or cold iron steal ....there is no damage reduction?

(or has he damage reduction vs. a cold iron steal weapon? )

-with the spell bless from a good cleric can I bypass DR / good.

With DR 10/cold iron or good only one of the conditions have to be meet to penetrate DR. Bless weapon makes the weapon good (and also allows striking incorporeal creatures as a magic weapon) fulfilling the condition for penetration of the shadow demon's DR.

Quote:
So in that cause vs the shadowdemon: Would a blessed weopon (the cleric lvl. 1 spell) do the full damge (full 50 % damage without DR cause of incorporeal)?

Blessed weapon would inflict 50% of its regular damage (due to incorporeal 50% reduction) ignoring the DR. Hpowever, I would like to note that bless weapon isn't cleric spell. It's 1st level paladin spell.


puksone wrote:

Incorporeal means:

-when I use a Supernatural Abilitie like Slumber (Witch) it has a 50% chance to miss?

Yes. There is a decision for GM to be made: does the Hex ignoreddue to incorporeality count as targeting the creature (and thus granting immunity to further uses of that hex by the same Witch on the target for the following 24 hours or not). Personaly I would say no, but it's my interpretation. Different GMs could handle it otherwise.

Quote:

DR:

- the monster has DR 10/cold iron or good. So if I fight the monster with a good weapon or cold iron steal ....there is no damage reduction?

(or has he damage reduction vs. a cold iron steal weapon? )

-with the spell bless from a good cleric can I bypass DR / good.

With DR 10/cold iron or good only one of the conditions have to be meet to penetrate DR. Bless weapon makes the weapon good (and also allows striking incorporeal creatures as a magic weapon) fulfilling the condition for penetration of the shadow demon's DR.

Quote:
So in that cause vs the shadowdemon: Would a blessed weopon (the cleric lvl. 1 spell) do the full damge (full 50 % damage without DR cause of incorporeal)?

Blessed weapon would inflict 50% of its regular damage (due to incorporeal 50% reduction) ignoring the DR. However, I would like to note that bless weapon isn't cleric spell. It's paladin level 1 spell.


hi thx for the answers :)

with blessed weapon i expressed my self badly. i mean a person who is under the influence of the cleric spell bless.


puksone wrote:

hi thx for the answers :)

with blessed weapon i expressed my self badly. i mean a person who is under the influence of the cleric spell bless.

Sorry, I missed the line about cleric's bless. Cleric's bless spell won't help you there. It's a morale raising spell that has nothing to do with alignement and won't help you overcome DR. (unless it's houserule of yours, of course).

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puksone wrote:
-Smite Evil ignores Damage Reduction and there is NO 50% chance to miss?

Smite Evil ignores DR, but it gives no special ability to bypass incorporeal.


puksone wrote:
-when I use a Supernatural Abilitie like Slumber (Witch) it has a 50% chance to miss?

Yes, all corporeal spells and effects have 50% chance to affect an incorporeal creature.

puksone wrote:
-Smite Evil ignores Damage Reduction and there is NO 50% chance to miss?

Smite Evil will bypass DR, but not the miss chance.

Also, if the paladin's weapon is not magical, he will still be unable to damage the monster.

puksone wrote:
- With the spell bless normal weapons are treated as a magic weapon +1. So they would do 50% damage (he is immun to normal weapons).

No, Bless grants you a +1 to hit, not a +1 enhancement bonus to your weapon. It just makes you feel good and swing your sword a little better.

puksone wrote:


DR:
- the monster has DR 10/cold iron or good. So if I fight the monster with a good weapon or cold iron steal ....there is no damage reduction?

(or has he damage reduction vs. a cold iron steal weapon? )

If your weapon is either cold iron, or good aligned (or both), then you bypass the DR. If the weapon is not magical, it does nothing.

If the weapon is both magical and either cold iron and/or good aligned, then you deal 50% damage, but do not reduce your damage by 10 due to DR.

puksone wrote:
-with the spell bless from a good cleric can I bypass DR / good.

No.

puksone wrote:
So in that cause vs the shadowdemon: Would a blessed weopon (the cleric lvl. 1 spell) do the full damge (full 50 % damage without DR cause of incorporeal)?

A nonmagical weapon would do no damage.

To sum up:

Mundane weapon: No damage
Mundane weapon that is good aligned or made of cold iron: No damage
Mundane weapon wielded by someone using Smite Evil: No damage

Magical weapon: half damage, and -10 from DR
Magical weapon that is wielded by someone who is smiting evil: half damage
Magical weapon that is made of cold iron or is good aligned: half damage

-edit- and because it's bound to come up, when you have incorporeal and DR, you apply the DR after the damage is halved. So if you use a magic weapon and roll 21 damage, it's halved to 10, then DR applies, and you deal 0 damage.


thx guys u helped me a lot :)

i must say the Shadow Demon is a hard monster when u are not prepared. he is CR 7 and has incorporeal and DR 10.

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