WereLeopard Rogue. Tell me if I'm doing the attacks right.


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Scarab Sages

Trying to work out TWF WereLeopard Rogue's attacks in Hybrid Form.

Ok. So assuming Mrs. WereLeopard has, let's say, 6 levels of Rogue (BAB 4), making her base modifiers for attacking 2/2. Adjusted for STR/DEX/whatever later on.

Now, due to her unique state of being, she also has a Bite attack as well as two Claw attacks in Hybrid form (Animal form too, but that's not important right now)
If I understand correctly, she would only be able to make a full action including her two daggers (consuming the Claw attacks) and her Bite.
-Now, what happens to that Bite attack's modifier? Is it -5?
Does it get affected by the TWF penalty as well, making it -7?
What form of Str modifier does the Bite attack get to use? half? full?

Build: 20pt buy, assuming total Level/CR is 7 (per Bestiary suggestion)
STR +1, Dex +2, Con +2, Int +4, Wis +1, Cha -1 (Human form)
Str +4, Dex +4, Con +3, Int +4, Wis +1, Cha -1 (Hybrid/Animal Form)
TWF taken.

So, whilst in Hybrid Form, Her full attack action might look like this:
+6/+6 1d4+4 (daggers) + +3 1d6+2 (Bite)
-This is assuming Bite gets the -5 from full BAB, and STR damage is halved.

Also:
Will this change at all as she begins racking up the BAB and TWF attacks?
Can Sneak Attack be added to the Bite as well? If she chose to Pounce and Rake (putting away/dropping her daggers), and flanked her opponent when doing so, would she get the Sneak Attack damage on all three natural attacks?

Thanks.


Assuming your stat block is correct (I will not look into it at the time)...

Ulmaxes wrote:

So, whilst in Hybrid Form, Her full attack action might look like this:

+6/+6 1d4+4 (daggers) + +3 1d6+2 (Bite)
-This is assuming Bite gets the -5 from full BAB, and STR damage is halved.

The attack pattern (8-2 / 8-2 and 8-5) looks right to me.

Any natural attack(s) she has become secondary if she uses weapons as well as natural attacks, thus the -5 and half Str to bite are correct.

However, the second dagger is an off-hand strike, which will also halve your Str bonus... so you come to:
Dagger +6 (1d4+4), plus dagger +6 (1d4+2), plus bite +3 (1d6+2). If you want to get your off hand damage back to full Str, you'll need the Double Slice feat.

If you rack up your BAB, the first dagger attack will see iterative strikes; you will need to buy into the TWF chain to get iterative strikes from the second dagger; and the bite will remain stuck at a single attack.

However: since Claw and Bite are both considered primary attacks if she doesn't use any wielded weapons, the might as well use her full attack pattern using only natural attacks, resulting in
Claw +8 (1d3+4), plus claw +8 (1d3+4), plus bite+8 (1d6+4)

TWF will mean nothing in this pattern... but you won't get additional attacks when raising your BAB.

Sneak attack effects apply to your natural attacks as well. As for the rake... are you still considered flanking an opponent if you are grappling with him? If so, Sneak Attack would kick in to the rakes, as well.

Edit: Huh? The medium felines seem to suffer from a diminished claw attack... I could have sworn the usual claw damage for medium creatures was was 1d4, rather than 1d3.

Scarab Sages

Thanks! Glad to see I did something right.

And yeah, Leopard only get a 1d3 Claw. Haven't checked yet to see if the errata changed that, or if it's just a goof.
I would say that a Leopard's claws do as much damage as a dagger at LEAST, lol. Those things are mean.

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