
Ravingdork |
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As the subject line.
Scrolls are dirt cheap and can be made in only 2 hours. However, there is still a blanket rules limiting magic item crafters to one magic item per day.
Is there ANY way to bypass that restriction?

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Since scrolls could be randomly generated with more than one spell on them, we always took the rule to mean that the crafter could scribe 1000gp worth of spell scrolls per day.
I don't know any group in real life that played it differently.
A limit of one per day is quite a comedown from that; is this why there's a disconnect between the 'Wizards are God' camp, and the 'No, They're not' camp? Because they adjudicate this rule in different ways?

wraithstrike |

Since scrolls could be randomly generated with more than one spell on them, we always took the rule to mean that the crafter could scribe 1000gp worth of spell scrolls per day.
I don't know any group in real life that played it differently.A limit of one per day is quite a comedown from that; is this why there's a disconnect between the 'Wizards are God' camp, and the 'No, They're not' camp? Because they adjudicate this rule in different ways?
I have always used the official rule of one spell per day, not that it has come up, other than when I was the player crafting though.

Ravingdork |

Since scrolls could be randomly generated with more than one spell on them, we always took the rule to mean that the crafter could scribe 1000gp worth of spell scrolls per day.
I don't know any group in real life that played it differently.A limit of one per day is quite a comedown from that; is this why there's a disconnect between the 'Wizards are God' camp, and the 'No, They're not' camp? Because they adjudicate this rule in different ways?
That was allowed by RAW in v3.5, but I don't believe that is true any longer.

harmor |

You can place multiple spells on a scroll...the gold piece value increases linearly.
When you find scroll as random treasure you roll to see how many spells are on each scroll.
Typically I put multiple spells for out-of-combat spells (e.g. Lesser Restoration, Knock, etc...). When I need a one-off I put a single spell on the scroll and then drop the scroll after I cast it.
If the value is 250gp or less then you can craft it in 2 hours (or during downtime while traveling). Otherwise, you craft 1,000gp/day just like other magical items.
Its not clear how 'long' a scroll is because in a spellbook a third level spell takes three pages. Does that mean that a scroll with a third level spell is three times as long as a scroll with a first level spell?

Jeraa |

You can place multiple spells on a scroll...the gold piece value increases linearly.
If the value is 250gp or less then you can craft it in 2 hours (or during downtime while traveling). Otherwise, you craft 1,000gp/day just like other magical items.
It doesn't matter what the cost is. Making scrolls has its own rules - regardless of the cost, you can only put a maximum of 1 spell into a scroll each day, even if that scroll contains multiple spells. Scribing a scroll of a single 0-level spell means you are now unable to scribe anymore scrolls that day, of any level.

Ansha |

EDIT:
The rules for scribing scrolls specifically says differently. How is scribing two spells onto two different scrolls any different from scribing two spells onto one scroll? Its not - you are still scribing two spells. The section I quoted earlier prohibits two spells from being scribed in one day. I'll quote it again.
It also states:
Regardless of the time needed for construction, a caster can create no more than one magic item per day.
I hadn't caught that before. I was extrapolating why 2 hours of work for a scroll would still fit the model of 8 hours' per 1000gp base price. It might be because of the underlying assumption that all magic items take 1 day/8 hours per 1000gp base price, but that's a pretty silly rule that really only restricts Scribe Scroll and Brew Potion, since they're the only two exceptions where you could actually be done in less than a day of crafting and move on to a new project.
I guess you could assume that 1 scroll is a magic item, in which case if you were to also assume that the specific rule
Scribing a scroll requires 1 day per 1,000 gp of the base price. Although an individual scroll might contain more than one spell, each spell must be scribed as a separate effort, meaning that no more than 1 spell can be scribed in a day.
ignores the construction time exemption scrolls get, then as long as the spells on the scroll do not cost more than 1000gp all together, you could put multiple spells on a single scroll in a day--though you can't do what I said before and scribe 4 spells to different scrolls.

Jeraa |

Eight hours is to 1000gp as two hours is to 250gp. So it would be a logical conclusion that if one can only create one item at a time (which the rules indicate, and logically, it makes sense that the rules would state you could only create one item in a day if the item took the full 8-hour workday to complete, which the text at the second link assumes without noting the exception in the first link), then Scribe Scroll actually allows the creation of four scrolls per day if the scrolls are worth 250gp or less
The rules for scribing scrolls specifically says differently. How is scribing two spells onto two different scrolls any different from scribing two spells onto one scroll? Its not - you are still scribing two spells. The section I quoted earlier prohibits two spells from being scribed in one day. I'll quote it again.
Although an individual scroll might contain more than one spell, each spell must be scribed as a separate effort, meaning that no more than 1 spell can be scribed in a day.
The rules don't care how much the combined spells cost to create. It doesn't care about there levels. Two spells can not be scribed onto scrolls in the same day by the same character.
Maybe you can make multiple items in a day if they are cheap enough, but scrolls have their own rule that prevents it.

Caoulhoun |

You can place multiple spells on a scroll...the gold piece value increases linearly.
When you find scroll as random treasure you roll to see how many spells are on each scroll.
Typically I put multiple spells for out-of-combat spells (e.g. Lesser Restoration, Knock, etc...). When I need a one-off I put a single spell on the scroll and then drop the scroll after I cast it.
If the value is 250gp or less then you can craft it in 2 hours (or during downtime while traveling). Otherwise, you craft 1,000gp/day just like other magical items.
Its not clear how 'long' a scroll is because in a spellbook a third level spell takes three pages. Does that mean that a scroll with a third level spell is three times as long as a scroll with a first level spell?
While you can place multiple spells upon a scroll, you cannot put more than 1 spell upon a scroll in a day.
Read the magic item crafting portion under the PRD:
Scribing a scroll requires 1 day per 1,000 gp of the base price. Although an individual scroll might contain more than one spell, each spell must be scribed as a separate effort, meaning that no more than 1 spell can be scribed in a day.