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I know the Inquisitor class grants proficiency in their deity's favored weapon, but if that deity is Irori does that mean they gain the Improved Unarmed Strike feat? I know that this is the case for Clerics and even found it mentioned on page 5 of the "Pathfinder Society Guide to Organized Play", but I since I can't find this in writing for the Inquisitor I thought I should ask for clarification. I am asking regarding a Pathfinder Society Inquisitor character concept.
It's always been my understanding that if you worship a god you get their weapon of choice. Just like if you play a half-orc you get falchion proficiency. regardless of the class you play.
Maybe I'm wrong but I think you are with in your rights to punch people in the face.
You only get the deity weapon for certain classes. I thought the Inquisitor got that option also. I will look for it.
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Weapon and Armor Proficiency: An inquisitor is proficient with all simple weapons, plus the hand crossbow, longbow, repeating crossbow, shortbow, and the favored weapon of her deity. She is also proficient with light armor, medium armor, and shields (except tower shields).
You only get the deity weapon for certain classes. I thought the Inquisitor got that option also. I will look for it.
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Weapon and Armor Proficiency: An inquisitor is proficient with all simple weapons, plus the hand crossbow, longbow, repeating crossbow, shortbow, and the favored weapon of her deity. She is also proficient with light armor, medium armor, and shields (except tower shields).
But what if the deity's favored weapon is Unarmed Strike? That's the question. Does gaining proficiency with the favored weapon of the deity count as gaining Improved Unarmed Strike for worshipers of Irori?
Technically, yes: It's like a cleric of Iomedae getting auto-proficiency for longsword, or a cleric of Gorum getting auto-proficiency with a greatsword; for the purposes of the class, you automatically gain Martial/Exotic Weapon Proficiency with the specific weapon of your deity. It would make sense that you'd get Improved Unarmed Strike, as that would make you proficient with unarmed strikes.
But what if the deity's favored weapon is Unarmed Strike? That's the question. Does gaining proficiency with the favored weapon of the deity count as gaining Improved Unarmed Strike for worshipers of Irori?You only get the deity weapon for certain classes. I thought the Inquisitor got that option also. I will look for it.
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Weapon and Armor Proficiency: An inquisitor is proficient with all simple weapons, plus the hand crossbow, longbow, repeating crossbow, shortbow, and the favored weapon of her deity. She is also proficient with light armor, medium armor, and shields (except tower shields).
Yes.
Technically, yes: It's like a cleric of Iomedae getting auto-proficiency for longsword, or a cleric of Gorum getting auto-proficiency with a greatsword; for the purposes of the class, you automatically gain Martial/Exotic Weapon Proficiency with the specific weapon of your deity. It would make sense that you'd get Improved Unarmed Strike, as that would make you proficient with unarmed strikes.
Technically, no.
"An inquisitor is proficient with... the favored weapon of her deity."
Simple, Martial, and Exotic Weapons: "All characters are proficient with unarmed strikes and any natural weapons possessed by their race."
The inquisitor is already proficient.
But by RAI, it should probably be the same as the cleric.
Guide to PFS Organized Play v4.0: "Clerics of Irori receive Improved Unarmed Strike as a bonus feat so they can use their deity's favored weapon (unarmed strike) without provoking an attack of opportunity."
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Simple, Martial, and Exotic Weapons: "All characters are proficient with unarmed strikes and any natural weapons possessed by their race."
Yes, anyone can punch without a -4 to hit. But it causes non-lethal damage, and provoke an AoO. The favored weapon reflects the ability to use the weapon effectively in combat, not just the ability to swing. A person without the feat CAN cause lethal damage, but with a -4 to hit and still provokes.
After looking over the domains, subdomains, and inquisitions available to an Inquisitor of Irori, another question occured to me that is related to the one I started this thread with. If you cannot use Scribe Scroll in PFS play and the Cleric with the Rune Domain is allowed to take the Spell Focus feat as a replacement for the Scribe Scroll feat that the Rune domain normally grants, then what about an Inquisitor of Irori with the Rune domain?
I tend to agree with most of you and believe that what is good for the Clerics of Irori should be good for the Inquisitors of Irori, but I have to justify this to a PFS GM whenever I go to play this character, so I was hoping for an official and/or Paizo published answer that I had perhaps overlooked somewhere.
Thanks for all of your responses.
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There is something else you need to consider. The class ability inquisitors get is called Bane. According to it's description, they have to be put on weapons. Unarmed Strike is defined as being able to hit with any part of your body. You can not 'bane' multiple weapons without a feat, and you can not bane two parts of a double weapon without that feat (which uses double the amount of rounds of Bane)
Sure, you could get brass knuckles, but is that considered unarmed for monks (or via the improved unarmed strike feat)?
There is something else you need to consider. The class ability inquisitors get is called Bane. According to it's description, they have to be put on weapons. Unarmed Strike is defined as being able to hit with any part of your body. You can not 'bane' multiple weapons without a feat, and you can not bane two parts of a double weapon without that feat (which uses double the amount of rounds of Bane)
Sure, you could get brass knuckles, but is that considered unarmed for monks (or via the improved unarmed strike feat)?
For the purpose of unarmed strikes the body is the weapon. If not you would have to take weapon focus(unarmed strike-knee, elbow, etc). The different body parts are just telling you how you can attack with the weapon. It is an issue or balance more than it is one of reasoning.
There is something else you need to consider. The class ability inquisitors get is called Bane. According to it's description, they have to be put on weapons. Unarmed Strike is defined as being able to hit with any part of your body. You can not 'bane' multiple weapons without a feat, and you can not bane two parts of a double weapon without that feat (which uses double the amount of rounds of Bane)
Sure, you could get brass knuckles, but is that considered unarmed for monks (or via the improved unarmed strike feat)?
That is fine. The build I have in mind is using Irori to gain the Improved Unarmed Strike for free and the Law Domain with the Inevitable Subdomain, so I can cast Command as a supernatural ability with a DC that scales with level. The Improved Unarmed Strike is mainly a feat tax I have to pay for my build.
He will be a Half-Elf with Ancestral Arms (Meteor Hammer) and Combat Reflexes. At 3rd Level, he will be taking the Snake Style feat in order to use Sense Motive as AC. With the Inquisitor's 1/2 level bonuses to Sense Motive checks, this ought to work out nicely for his AC. He will use that with his reach weapon, Combat Reflexes, and Command from his Inevitables Subdomain. Later on, I might add in the Antagonize feat with Power Attack. For this build, Improved Unarmed Strike will just be a backup weapon (which I can do piercing damage with thanks to the Snake Style feat).