| mdt |
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Ok,
This has been asked before, but I couldn't find any official response/resolution. It may just be 'Sorry, you are hosed, we do not like spontaneous casters'. However, the Mystic Theurge ability Combined Spells says :
Combined Spells (Su): A mystic theurge can prepare and cast spells from one of his spellcasting classes using the available slots from any of his other spellcasting classes. Spells prepared or cast in this way take up a slot one level higher than they originally occupied. This ability cannot be used to cast a spell at a lower level if that spell exists on both spell lists. At 1st level, a mystic theurge can prepare 1st-level spells from one of his spellcasting classes using the 2nd-level slots of the other spellcasting class. Every two levels thereafter, the level of spells that can be cast in this way increases by one, to a maximum of 5th-level spells at 9th level (these spells would take up 6th-level spell slots). The components of these spells do not change, but they otherwise follow the rules for the spellcasting class used to cast the spell.Spontaneous spellcasters can only select spells that they have prepared that day using non-spontaneous classes for this ability, even if the spells have already been cast. For example, a cleric/sorcerer/mystic theurge can use this ability to spontaneously cast a bless spell using a 2nd-level sorcerer spell slot, if the character had a prepared bless spell using a 1st-level cleric spell slot, even if that spell had already been cast that day.
Now, when this was written, there was no way to have both arcane and divine from spontaneous classes. This is due to the spontaneous divine caster (Oracle) not coming along until APG.
So, the rule is written from the perspective of only ever at best being able to mix prepared/spontaneous, not from having purely spontaneous casting.
Per RAW, an Oracle/Sorcerer loses out on this ability entirely. I understand the whole wanting to balance the two, but if both are spontaneous, it seems like then it should just be spontaneously cast at one level higher. Anyway, if anyone can point me to a thread with an errata or an official 'we hate spontaneous casters, suck it up' response from a dev, that would be great. Thanks.
| Grazno |
Why would you want to use a higher-level spell slot from Spontaneous Class A to cast a spell that you could spontaneously cast using Class B's slots anyways?
The main coolness of mixing spontaneous and non-spontaneous casters in MT is that you effectively increase your spells known in the spontaneous class. Memorize a bunch of different one-off spells in your non-spontaneous slots, then if you need one more than once, use the other class to re-cast.
| Midnight_Angel |
Hmmm... I consider this rule to be in place to prevent a mixed spontaneous/prepared spellcaster from suddenly getting access a huge number of spells.
If it weren't in place, the Cleric-Sorcerer Theurge would be able to spontaneously let loose with any Cleric Spell that fit the level requirements.
With a dual-spontaneous caster (who has a very limited repertoire on both sides), I'd merrily allow him to cross-cast to his heart's content.
| mdt |
Hmmm... I consider this rule to be in place to prevent a mixed spontaneous/prepared spellcaster from suddenly getting access a huge number of spells.
If it weren't in place, the Cleric-Sorcerer Theurge would be able to spontaneously let loose with any Cleric Spell that fit the level requirements.
With a dual-spontaneous caster (who has a very limited repertoire on both sides), I'd merrily allow him to cross-cast to his heart's content.
Yeah, that's my thought as well. However, the wording of the power currently, as written, means it's totally non-usable RAW if you're dual-spontaneous.
I'm hoping the FAQ get's set enough for a dev to look at it and see if the class ability needs to be tweaked to say 'If you have both a spontaneous and memorized class' instead of 'If you have a spontaneous class'.