Trait Question?

[Tharg The Pirate King]

Ok we use RAW. And we plan on starting a game using the Pathfinder Companions, and will be starting at level 6. My question is the Trait Agent of Dusk. This trait states that you get to start with Twice the normal starting gold. Will that apply to the Normal starting gold for starting at above 1st? The rules state that a character that starts at level 6 starts with 16000gp Normally. So would this trait apply and make the starting gold 32000gp? Going by RAW only. I do not want personal opinions on what you would allow, this is for a strict RAW game.

[Aeshuura]

I believe that Starting Gold is listed in the Equipment section.

The 16000 is "Character Wealth by level".

So RAW would indicate that it would give you an extra equal to your Starting Wealth as indicated by the Equipment chapter.

[Tharg The Pirate King]

The trait states :You start with twice the normal amount of starting gold. Core Rulebook page 140 has the chart you referenced but it states that if above 1st level to use the chart on page 399 which shows the Character Wealth by level and the paragraph on page 400 3rd one it states that the chart can be used to Budget the gear of characters that start above first level. It appears that since this is a character starting above first he does not have the standard first level chart he uses the chart on page 399 instead of the chart on 140 so wouldnt the trait allow for double on the 399chart since it states to use that chart if above first?

[nosig]

that is a DM question.
Good luck (If I was DM I wouldn't give it to you, but... might as well try!).

[Tharg The Pirate King]

nosig wrote:

that is a DM question.

Good luck (If I was DM I wouldn't give it to you, but... might as well try!).

I respect that but my DM stated RAW, his descion is based on RAW, I beleive that this follows that criteria for RAW rule, what I am wanting is confirmation that I am correct and by RAW this would be legal, regardless of weather or not a GM would allow this who is not following RAW 100%.

[James Jacobs]

Starting gold, in this case, refers to the amount of gold a fresh new 1st level character begins with, as listed on table 6–1 of page 140 of the Core Rulebook.

If you're starting at a higher level than 1st, this trait is useless to you since your starting gold is not set by that table; it's set by the wealth by level chart (table 12–4 on page 399), which does not stack with the starting wealth from table 6–1.

[Tharg The Pirate King]

This trait is not useless, can't I combine it with the trait Rich Parents and have 1800gp at 1st level so a 6th level character with both those traits if say was a warrior would have 17500gp instead of 1600gp (Normal max gold for fighter is 300gp at first, you have 1800gp so 1800-300=1500gp extra that you start with +16000gp for 6th level =17500gp)

Also all starting equipment is reduced by 10% in price when purchasing because of the trait (everything bought within the guild) so technically you actually have 19250gp equivalent, To start with. I would not call the trait useless.

[Darksmokepuncher]

Tharg, you realize you just got a direct ruling from the creative director right? It doesn't get a whole lot more "official" than that. I just want to make sure you know who your arguing with...

[Tharg The Pirate King]

Darksmokepuncher wrote:

Tharg, you realize you just got a direct ruling from the creative director right? It doesn't get a whole lot more "official" than that. I just want to make sure you know who your arguing with...

Hehe I never noticed the tag.. hehe... ok..I edited my post to reflect that, well what of combing the two traits? would that be ok? I can see what was meant when the trait was made RAI (rules as intended) but The clarity of it still goes against what I think RAW would agree with me. and I think my argument was just. But I will bow my head and see if my GM will decided if its RAW or RAI, I will just make 2 characters instead of 1.

[Weables]

he specifically said that your starting gold does not come off that table. So your rich parents starting gold isnt applicable either.

He was very clear with what he said and covered all possible combinations.

You cannot gain anything from any trait that increases your starting gold if starting after level 1. Period. As your starting gold no longer comes off the table that those traits specifically reference.