I was wondering if some one could figure out for me what is the max AC on a 20th level PCs that isn't using a shield. I'm only getting up with 41 AC. Only include magic items and stats. No buffer spells. Any class just what ever is highest. Also no archetypes!
That's a lot of restrictions for a "max" thread.
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I was wondering if some one could figure out for me what is the max AC on a 20th level PCs that isn't using a shield. I'm only getting up with 41 AC. Only include magic items and stats. No buffer spells. Any class just what ever is highest. Also no archetypes!That's a lot of restrictions for a "max" thread.
Im just trying to get a base line of a walking around character.
A halfling paladin with a maxed out Charisma, dipping into Lore Oracle for Sidestep Secret, using the Osyluth's Guile feat and Smiting his Guile target could have a pretty damn high AC against a single target. If you took the Underfoot racial trait, you'd have a further AC bonus against targets larger than you. You'd be adding essentially triple your Charisma to AC. At level 20, the max I think you could get your Charisma to is 36 or so, for a +13 bonus.
Depending on your idea of 'using' a shield, an Animated shield could provide a nice chunk of hands-free AC. This is of course on top of your usual armor, enhancement, and natural armor bonuses.
Also consider non-AC defenses, like Displacement.
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A halfling paladin with a maxed out Charisma, dipping into Lore Oracle for Sidestep Secret, using the Osyluth's Guile feat and Smiting his Guile target could have a pretty damn high AC against a single target. If you took the Underfoot racial trait, you'd have a further AC bonus against targets larger than you. You'd be adding essentially triple your Charisma to AC. At level 20, the max I think you could get your Charisma to is 36 or so, for a +13 bonus.
Depending on your idea of 'using' a shield, an Animated shield could provide a nice chunk of hands-free AC. This is of course on top of your usual armor, enhancement, and natural armor bonuses.
Also consider non-AC defenses, like Displacement.
so 58, 59 reduced. ish 10 + 13x3 + 5 na 5 deflection, 2 size 8 bracers of armor
what about animated shileds or ring of force shield?
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There are many ways to get an insane AC at level 20.
Kensai Magus who has maxed out Int and Dex will be
10
+ 13 int
+ 13 dex
+ 5 ring of prot
+ 8 bracer of armor
+ 5 amulet of natural armor
+ 1 dodge
+ 1 ioun stone
= 56 AC
Touch = 43
You would have an initiative modifier of +26 so you really don't have to worry about being caught flat footed
You could buff this up with monstrous physique to gain a +1 natural armor bonus that stacks with the amulet, +1 from a size bonus to dex, and +1 for being small. Combat expertise is another option. Shield or similar spells would also provide a boost, although with an AC of 56 a tarrasque would only hit you on a roll of 19 or 20 so you would be better off in investing in miss chance like SunsetPsychosis suggested.
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Hmmm missed the no archetype part. Well you can still get up there with a fighter 6/ duelist 10/ stalwart defender 4.
Race = Goblin
10
+ 10 int
+ 14 dex
+ 5 ring of prot
+ 8 bracer of armor
+ 5 amulet of natural armor
+ 1 dodge
+ 2 dodge stalwart defender
+ 1 ioun stone
+ 1 small size
= 57 AC
Touch = 44
Combat Expertise will give you another +6 to both touch and normal AC for 63/50.
Note: This would probably be a very awkwardly built character and thematically won't make much sense but it does what this thread wanted, get you a lot of ac.
A Halfling Monk 8/Sorcerer 1/Dragon Disciple 1/Duelist 10
10
+12 dex
+10 int
+10 wis
+8 bracers
+5 amulet
+5 ring
+2 monk
+1 nat
+1 small
+1 dodge
+1 ioun stone
That's AC 66 walking around, 57 touch.
Combat Expertise can grab another +6, Fighting Defensively another +6, and a +5 defending singham, for 83/74
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Something I don't see very often: replace the baseline of the Celestial armor with mithril fullplate, your max dex is 9, make it +5, it's 23k more expensive, but you are walking around with a piece of armor that gives +14 AC with a max dex of 9, that's a 33AC, before including anything else, like being a fighter and making the max dex go higher. You can even reduce the price of the enchantment by pulling the fly spell out of it. This thing is also classified as light armor.
While not every GM will let you do that, it's still fantastic armor, and it's better than anything else, because it will let you put those stat resources in other places.
replace the baseline of the Celestial armor with mithril fullplate
What does that mean?
celestial armor is a unique armor that is a chainmail with special properties.
he meant to make the armor a full plate with the same properties.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/magic-armor#TOC-Celestial-Armor
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It's actually a max dex +9, mithril full plate has a higher max dex than a suit of chainmail. That character would make a great wall, if you threw in a level of paladin, you could also add your charisma to your AC against that target, but you would need a 22 charisma at least, because it's deflection.
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It's actually a max dex +9, mithril full plate has a higher max dex than a suit of chainmail. That character would make a great wall, if you threw in a level of paladin, you could also add your charisma to your AC against that target, but you would need a 22 charisma at least, because it's deflection.Yea but its pretty hard to get to 38 dex,22 charisma,and still have some good strength and okay constitution.Would be great wall yeah,but problem is that almost everyone will ignore it as he wont have good hit and dmg due to lack of feats which he used for improving AC.Thou he can dump some AC feats and take focus,greeater focus,PA,spec and greater spec for example.He will still have very very high AC and descent hit+dmg.Could be nice one,yeah.
That's why I'd never recommend a fighter wear that suit, he already gets a fairly difficult to attain max dex, just by virtue of his armor training. First character I used this suit on was my archer paladin, it was awesome.
I think i remember a monk from one of the Oplympics having about 97 AC. He was multiclassed to duelist as far as i can remember, his only problem was that he did extremely low damage. I cant find him right now, due to my search fu skills, but maybe later.
Just play a human or dwarf fighter with Ironhide. That opens you up to Improved Natural Armor. That's an additional +9 natural armor in 20 levels.
Stack with above builds for some serious crazy.
EDIT: Ninja'd apparently.
Is that allowed? It's not as if "celestial" is template that can be applied to any base armour, is it?
celestial armor is a unique armor that is a chainmail with special properties.
he meant to make the armor a full plate with the same properties.
You mean like this?
You mean like this?Is that allowed? It's not as if "celestial" is template that can be applied to any base armour, is it?
celestial armor is a unique armor that is a chainmail with special properties.
he meant to make the armor a full plate with the same properties.
Why does it cost 4 times to make than it does to buy it?
:P
Huh, I hadn't noticed that. It must be an oversight of some sort. Of course, it's a 3.5 item (originally appearing in Skeletons of Scarwall, book 5 of Curse of the Crimson Throne), so the book listing also still has an XP cost to make it.
Ye made it already,but something else in your post caught my eye.Is 9 maximum you can get from that feat?So you basically cant take it on every level even with fighter?Just play a human or dwarf fighter with Ironhide. That opens you up to Improved Natural Armor. That's an additional +9 natural armor in 20 levels.
Stack with above builds for some serious crazy.
EDIT: Ninja'd apparently.
I don't believe it is a combat feat, so no, you cannot take it with fighter bonus feats.