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Had an issue come up at the table the other nite that I would like to get the community's opinion on. Basically playing a barbarian with ranks in intimidate and the intimidating glare rage power. An issue came up where my barb was grabbed by a gibbering mouther, and I attempted to demoralize the creature to make it harder for the thing to grapple me (which now im not sure would even work, as I don't think a grapple is an attack action, but that is another question). Anyway, my GM didnt think I should be able to demoralize a creature that didnt really have human intelligence. However looking at RAW for intimidate, it makes no mention of demoralize requiring a humanoid target. Am i correct in thinking there is no requirement in order to demoralize? You dont need to be intelligent to be shaken by the huge half-orc barbarian screaming at you in a guttural, feral howl right?
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Had an issue come up at the table the other nite that I would like to get the community's opinion on. Basically playing a barbarian with ranks in intimidate and the intimidating glare rage power. An issue came up where my barb was grabbed by a gibbering mouther, and I attempted to demoralize the creature to make it harder for the thing to grapple me (which now im not sure would even work, as I don't think a grapple is an attack action, but that is another question). Anyway, my GM didnt think I should be able to demoralize a creature that didnt really have human intelligence. However looking at RAW for intimidate, it makes no mention of demoralize requiring a humanoid target. Am i correct in thinking there is no requirement in order to demoralize? You dont need to be intelligent to be shaken by the huge half-orc barbarian screaming at you in a guttural, feral howl right?
It should work unless this monster had some kind of resistance to that specifically. To test the theory you could run up to an animal and scream at it and see if it runs away(preferably something small, I would not suggest running up to a bear, but do what you do).
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You should certainly be able to intimidate non-humanoids; however, I believe you picked an unfortunate example with the mouther, since it's fair to say, based on the flavour text from 1st Edition onwards, that they are utterly insane by any mortal yardstick.
It's babbling back at you, as loud as you're shouting at it, and its sensory organs are constantly being absorbed and reforming.
Can they be scared? Will they remember being scared, when they've turned their own brains inside out the following round?
Demoralize: You can use this skill to cause your opponents to become shaken for a number of rounds.
Doesn't have to be humanoid. You can scare a horse...
Something insane can get scared. Gibbering mouthers, while completely mad and irrational, can be just as irrationally afraid.
RAW wise, they're not immune to mind affecting or compulsions. You could frighten it, demoralize it- heck you could even use phantasmal killer and send it's greatest fear right at it. Makes you wonder what a gibbering mouther is afraid of. Maybe you make it realize what it is.
I agree with the others, by RAW you can demoralize a gibbering mouther. As you stated though the -2 from the shaken effect does not change a Combat Maneuver check.
Sean Mahoney
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I agree with the others, by RAW you can demoralize a gibbering mouther. As you stated though the -2 from the shaken effect does not change a Combat Maneuver check.
Sean Mahoney
Are you sure about that?
I thought anything that hindered an attack roll also hindered CMB/CMD?Otherwise sickened people bullrush/grapple/trip at full effect, which I can't visualise.
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Performing a Combat Maneuver: *Snip* Combat maneuvers are attack rolls, so you must roll for concealment and take any other penalties that would normally apply to an attack roll.