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So I was looking at the above spells and wanted to see what other peoples opinions were of stacking the two spells together. It seems a bit powerful and I'm not sure it works. I am leaning towards the RAI interpretation of Abundant Ammunition probably being for spells that enhance multiple pieces of amunition per casting, but as written it could go either way. Thoughts?
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Named Bullet
Abundant Ammunition
The "Named Bullet" would be magical and thus not affected by the Abundant Ammunition spell.
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The "Named Bullet" would be magical and thus not affected by the Abundant Ammunition spell.
Well hold on, the abundant ammo spell does specifically state it does work with ammo that is enchanted AFTER this spell has been cast.
The real confusion here is that named bullet affects a single piece of ammo while abundant ammunition references the whole container.
I don't think it would work since for it to stack you'd have to be able to cast Named bullet on the CONTAINER holding the bullet.
Close but no cigar.
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The "Named Bullet" would be magical and thus not affected by the Abundant Ammunition spell.Well hold on, the abundant ammo spell does specifically state it does work with ammo that is enchanted AFTER this spell has been cast.
The real confusion here is that named bullet affects a single piece of ammo while abundant ammunition references the whole container.
I don't think it would work since for it to stack you'd have to be able to cast Named bullet on the CONTAINER holding the bullet.
Close but no cigar.
Except that abundant ammunition states "If, after casting this spell, you cast a spell that enhances projectiles, such as align weapon or greater magic weapon, on the same container, all projectiles this spell conjures are affected by that spell." since you can't actually cast GMW on the bag normally, but the spell allows you to do so. Just as you could cast GMW on a single piece of ammunition and the spell has no limit to the number f projectiles it enhances via Abundant Ammunition. So if I put a single projectile in the bag and then enhance the bag with Named Bullet, does it work?
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Except that abundant ammunition states "If, after casting this spell, you cast a spell that enhances projectiles, such as align weapon or greater magic weapon, on the same container, all projectiles this spell conjures are affected by that spell." since you can't actually cast GMW on the bag normally, but the spell allows you to do so. Just as you could cast GMW on a single piece of ammunition and the spell has no limit to the number f projectiles it enhances via Abundant Ammunition. So if I put a single projectile in the bag and then enhance the bag with Named Bullet, does it work?The "Named Bullet" would be magical and thus not affected by the Abundant Ammunition spell.Well hold on, the abundant ammo spell does specifically state it does work with ammo that is enchanted AFTER this spell has been cast.
The real confusion here is that named bullet affects a single piece of ammo while abundant ammunition references the whole container.
I don't think it would work since for it to stack you'd have to be able to cast Named bullet on the CONTAINER holding the bullet.
Close but no cigar.
GMW and Align Weapon does state you can cast it on a container, if you wish use it on projectiles.
Named bullet is the only one that specifies a single projectile and doesn't mention containers anywhere in it's description.|
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Except that abundant ammunition states "If, after casting this spell, you cast a spell that enhances projectiles, such as align weapon or greater magic weapon, on the same container, all projectiles this spell conjures are affected by that spell." since you can't actually cast GMW on the bag normally, but the spell allows you to do so. Just as you could cast GMW on a single piece of ammunition and the spell has no limit to the number f projectiles it enhances via Abundant Ammunition. So if I put a single projectile in the bag and then enhance the bag with Named Bullet, does it work?The "Named Bullet" would be magical and thus not affected by the Abundant Ammunition spell.Well hold on, the abundant ammo spell does specifically state it does work with ammo that is enchanted AFTER this spell has been cast.
The real confusion here is that named bullet affects a single piece of ammo while abundant ammunition references the whole container.
I don't think it would work since for it to stack you'd have to be able to cast Named bullet on the CONTAINER holding the bullet.
Close but no cigar.
GMW and Align Weapon does state you can cast it on a container, if you wish use it on projectiles.
Named bullet is the only one that specifies a single projectile and doesn't mention containers anywhere in it's description.
Actually it states they must be together (in a container or quiver) However the spell is still cast on the ammunition itself, not the container...
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RAW it does not work. AA only works with spells that enhanced projectiles. Note the "s" on the end of the word projectile. Named bullet only works on a single projectile.
Actually the "projectiles" line is unclear, it could mean either meaning of the plural but the way it is worded I believe it refers to multiple types of projectiles not something that only enhances multiple projectiles.... I think it should work the way you describe it, I just think it might not by RAW, and I would rather get it looked at carefully and evaluated than not.
RAW it does not work. AA only works with spells that enhanced projectiles. Note the "s" on the end of the word projectile. Named bullet only works on a single projectile.Actually the "projectiles" line is unclear, it could mean either meaning of the plural but the way it is worded I believe it refers to multiple types of projectiles not something that only enhances multiple projectiles.... I think it should work the way you describe it, I just think it might not by RAW, and I would rather get it looked at carefully and evaluated than not.
I see a serious balance problem with this applications of the spells: I'd be cautious to even let multiple instance of the spell coexist, since when a ranger get 3rd level spells pearls of power are pretty cheap...
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I also have a question regarding Abundant Ammunition. Does black powder count as ammunition? It seems like it should, but it’s unclear as written. Also, if a Gunslinger wanted to use it to maximum effectiveness (i.e. on both his bullets and his black powder) that would require two uses of the spell, correct?