LoH + Fey Foundling?


Rules Questions


Is LoH considered magical healing for the purpose of activating the ability of the feat Fey Foundling?


Lay on Hands (Su) is a Supernatural Ability which are " Supernatural abilities are magical but not spell-like."
Fey Foundling states "and whenever you receive magical healing, you heal an additional 2 points per die rolled" & given that Lay on Hands heals 1d6 per 2 Levels of Paladin, it will add +2 per dice rolled. (If it was an effect that just healed x hit points it would not work.)


David Thomassen wrote:

Lay on Hands (Su) is a Supernatural Ability which are " Supernatural abilities are magical but not spell-like."

Fey Foundling states "and whenever you receive magical healing, you heal an additional 2 points per die rolled" & given that Lay on Hands heals 1d6 per 2 Levels of Paladin, it will add +2 per dice rolled. (If it was an effect that just healed x hit points it would not work.)

Considering that it works why doesn't every single optimization build for paladins have it in there?


Because it affects the creature with the feat, not the caster of the healing. The Paladin would not add +2 to every heal roll if she had this feat, she would only add +2 per dice used to heal her.


David Thomassen wrote:
Because it affects the creature with the feat, not the caster of the healing. The Paladin would not add +2 to every heal roll if she had this feat, she would only add +2 per dice used to heal her.

However aren't the paladin's the creature being healed and the caster? There for she would get the +2 per dice used to heal her which would be herself. Paladin's typically only use LoH for themselves anyways.


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Black_Lantern wrote:
David Thomassen wrote:
Because it affects the creature with the feat, not the caster of the healing. The Paladin would not add +2 to every heal roll if she had this feat, she would only add +2 per dice used to heal her.
However aren't the paladin's the creature being healed and the caster? There for she would get the +2 per dice used to heal her which would be herself. Paladin's typically only use LoH for themselves anyways.

Yes, it would work with their lay on hands for themselves.

While it adds some extra healing, I am not sure whether it is enough to make it a must have feat for any paladin.

Personally I've had a lot of use of the feat playing a life oracle as a dedicated healer. By using shield other I get to heal a lot of hp when I channel.


It's a solid feat for a paladin, and for any character who both takes damage regularly and utilizes channel energy to restore health. Really, channel energy/lay on hands is pretty much the only ability that makes this feat worth anything. It's a 57% increase in the average healing of channel energy, so that's not something to scoff at. Really it does a great job of keeping lay on hands relevant for much longer.

The real problem you're going to find is that the feat is required to be taken at 1st level, which is when it's least useful. It means delaying feats that the paladin desperately wants (power attack), and that can hurt. Humans won't feel the sting nearly as much, but other races will. It's all avoided by starting at a higher level though.


Three reasons i see that this feat isn't in the optimization guides:
1) The inner sea guide wasn't around when the paladin guide was written.
2) The feat can only be taken at 1st level.
3) The optimization guides try to stay as much as possible to the core line, sure there are a few exceptions when it can't be helped (dervish dance, cornugon smash) but i think that they try to stay as much as they can in the big hardcover books because those are the books that most people are likely to have.

And yes the feat rocks for a paladin.


This feat also rocks for a life oracle, since they're largely healing themselves if you go the Life Link route.

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