When I deal damage with a weapon that my character is wielding two-handed, I add 1-1/2 times your Strength bonus, except the weapon is considered light.
Using Power Attack, my bonus to damage is increased by half (+50%), if I am making an attack with a one handed weapon using two hands.
So if I take a short sword in both hands and use Power Attack I won't get a 1-1/2 Str Bonus to damage, but the +50% to the bonus damage of the power attack, right?
Example:
Short Sword +2 wielded in both hands
BAB +6 / +1
Str +4
Normal Attack:
To Hit +12 / +7
Damage 1d6 + 6
Power Attack (-2 Hit / +4 Dmg):
To Hit +10 / +5
Damage 1d6 + 12 = 1d6 + 6 + 4 + 2( <- the +50% )
Except a short sword is a light weapon, so it cannot be wielded in both hands.
Nope you can, CRB Page 141.
Light: A light weapon is used in one hand. It is easier to use in one's off hand than a one-handed weapon is, and can be used while grappling (see Combat). Add the wielder's Strength modifier to damage rolls for melee attacks with a light weapon if it's used in the primary hand, or half the wielder's Strength bonus if it's used in the off hand. Using two hands to wield a light weapon gives no advantage on damage; the Strength bonus applies as though the weapon were held in the wielder's primary hand only. An unarmed strike is always considered a light weapon.
It may not grant any Bonus to damage, but I can wield it in both hands.
So if I take a short sword in both hands and use Power Attack I won't get a 1-1/2 Str Bonus to damage, but the +50% to the bonus damage of the power attack, right?
As power attack states: This bonus to damage is increased by half (+50%) if you are making an attack with a two-handed weapon, a one handed weapon using two hands, or a primary natural weapon that adds 1-1/2 times your Strength modifier on damage rolls.
So basically saying anytime you'd have a strength bonus of 1.5x and using a weapon/attack.
Unfortunately for your case, a Short Sword is classified as a Light Weapon, not a One-Handed Weapon. I believe that even if you wielded a Short Sword in two hands - which you can do - the rules state "Using two hands to wield a light weapon gives no advantage on damage". Therefore, it would only apply the Power Attack at the normal bonus (+4), without the extra 50%.
Why would it be any different for a dagger than a shortsword? They're both light weapons.
Ah now I get it! The confusion came from the "one handed" term. I shouldn't ponder over RPG rules during lunchtime. ^^' Sorry SunsetPsychosis I realized my second mistake a bit too late, I already deleted that post.
What the others said.
Rapiers on the other hand.....
What the others said.
Rapiers on the other hand.....
Rapier: You can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to attack rolls with a rapier sized for you, even though it isn't a light weapon. You can't wield a rapier in two hands in order to apply 1-1/2 times your Strength bonus to damage.
What about rapiers?
What the others said.
Rapiers on the other hand.....Rapier: You can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to attack rolls with a rapier sized for you, even though it isn't a light weapon. You can't wield a rapier in two hands in order to apply 1-1/2 times your Strength bonus to damage.
What about rapiers?
You can hold the rapier in two hands in order to get the extra power attack damage, you just don't get the extra STR damage.
You can hold the rapier in two hands in order to get the extra power attack damage, you just don't get the extra STR damage.
Normally, I'd say you were correct leo, but the Rapier has special wording that makes into what is essentially a Light Weapon (no extra STR damage for 2h). Therefore, I'll say it only gets the normal power attack bonus (as a light weapon would) because of the specific rules text regarding the Rapier
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Normally, I'd say you were correct leo, but the Rapier has special wording that makes into what is essentially a Light Weapon (no extra STR damage for 2h). Therefore, I'll say it only gets the normal power attack bonus (as a light weapon would) because of the specific rules text regarding the Rapier
You can hold the rapier in two hands in order to get the extra power attack damage, you just don't get the extra STR damage.
That would, however, be a houserule.
I know it's kinda silly but according to rules a non-light finnesable weapon has no restriction on power attack.
That would, however, be a houserule.
Would it? It's simply RAI and it appears we have different interpretations.
Rapier specifically says:
You can't wield a rapier in two hands in order to apply 1-1/2 times your Strength bonus to damage.
Power Attack specifically says:
This bonus to damage is increased by half (+50%) if you are making an attack with a two-handed weapon, a one handed weapon using two hands, or a primary natural weapon that adds 1-1/2 times your Strength modifier on damage rolls.
What do the three above attack forms have in common? They all add 1.5x STR damage to their damage rolls. The rules text is very specific to leave out Light Weapons from the +50% damage category. Due to the fact that Light Weapons only give 1x STR even when wielded in two hands.
Back on track:
Wielding a Rapier in two hands does not provide 1.5x STR damage. It only provides 1x STR damage as a Light Weapon would. Ergo, when you power attack with a rapier it does not benefit from the bonus damage as other one-handed weapons would.
This is not like two handing a whip, the rules in general and the whip weapon specifically has no rules about how its base damage is altered if used in two hands - as a Rapier does. A whip can be wielded in two hands (for 1.5x STR as it is a One-Handed Weapon) and it benefits from the extra +50% from power attack.
Although, I might house rule the whip to include the Rapier's restriction.
If it's RAI, then they've had a lot of time to change it.
Aside from the point really, but let's look at the stealth redesign project as an example. A long time coming, yes?
There are many aspects of Pathfinder that could do with a little more clarification.
Power Attack will give a +3 damage boost when used with a two-handed rapier.
You have your interpretation, which is strict RAW and have voiced it to the community at large - and I have shown you the evidence for my RAI which I have also voiced.
You have your interpretation, which is strict RAW and have voiced it to the community at large - and I have shown you the evidence for my RAI which I have also voiced.
It's not an interpretation, it's how it works under the current rules.
That is not evidence, if it was true then you would get the -1/+2 ratio of power attack when you were making an attack with an off hand weapon if you had double slice.
Also power attack doesn't care how much STR you get to the damage, it only cares what type of weapon are you holding and how are you holding.
Also monks flurrying with a non-light weapon (for example temple sword) get the -1/+3 power attack ratio if they hold the weapon in two hands even though they don't get the extra STR damage.