Guided Firearm


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Can a gunslinger(or anyother gun user) apply the Guided enchantment to his firearm and get his wisdom to dmg and attack? and would this be advisable. I can see a Blackpowder Inquisitor getting alot out of this.

Grand Lodge

Could you quote the source?


blackbloodtroll wrote:
Could you quote the source?

If I remember correctly, it's an enchantment mentioned in an adventure path book or something. It's buried somewhere on the Pathfinder SRD, but there's no easy direct route to it, as they only show the stuff listed in the Core and APG, not the oddballs found in non-rule but still paizo Pathfinder books. There's a similar one that does the same thing for Dexterity, making for more powerful rogues (not to mention making Weapon Finesse almost superfluous).


The way the quality is detailed, I belive it's meant to be applied to melee weapons only, so that'd be a no on the guided firearm.


Guided Weapon

I think there was quite a bit of forum chatter while back debating if guided weapon can even be used on a ranged weapon. Nothing states it can't from the magic property write-up, but there's lots of hints it probably should be melee-only: mentioning replacing Strength for attack and damage and two-handed users not applying 1.5 Wis and "normal weapon" use is with Strength.

Grand Lodge

Looks legit as per RAW. A longbow would be a much better choice though. I know guns are cool, but in Pathfinder, guns really suck.


blackbloodtroll wrote:
Looks legit as per RAW. A longbow would be a much better choice though. I know guns are cool, but in Pathfinder, guns really suck.

Makes the gunslinger a single attribute class.


Matt Stich wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:
Looks legit as per RAW. A longbow would be a much better choice though. I know guns are cool, but in Pathfinder, guns really suck.
Makes the gunslinger a single attribute class.

Still adds mDex to damage, not mWis.


The "Gun Training" class ability of the gunslinger wouldn't be affected by guided weapon though, I don't think. Firearms damage doesn't add Dexterity or Strength normally, and so the magic weapon property wouldn't be changing up a specific class feature.


Cheapy wrote:
Matt Stich wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:
Looks legit as per RAW. A longbow would be a much better choice though. I know guns are cool, but in Pathfinder, guns really suck.
Makes the gunslinger a single attribute class.
Still adds mDex to damage, not mWis.

The guided property itself says attack and damage rolls. instead of strength. So if you could apply it, how I'm reading it, you get both mDex and mWis to damage.


Sounds to me like one of the best enchantments you could get on a gun for a gunslinger especially since it can be multiplied on a crit.


Matt Stich wrote:
Cheapy wrote:
Matt Stich wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:
Looks legit as per RAW. A longbow would be a much better choice though. I know guns are cool, but in Pathfinder, guns really suck.
Makes the gunslinger a single attribute class.
Still adds mDex to damage, not mWis.
The guided property itself says attack and damage rolls. instead of strength. So if you could apply it, how I'm reading it, you get both mDex and mWis to damage.

Firearms don't use a strength bonus to begin with, so it doesn't get replaced with a wisdom bonus.


A +1 enhancement that allows you to add two stats to your damage? You should know that is most certainly not Rules as Intended. I'd bet money that if this ability were to be put on the actual magic item qualities list, you'd see it listed only under melee.


Roaming Shadow wrote:
A +1 enhancement that allows you to add two stats to your damage? You should know that is most certainly not Rules as Intended. I'd bet money that if this ability were to be put on the actual magic item qualities list, you'd see it listed only under melee.
D20PFSRD wrote:
A character who attacks with a guided weapon modifies his attack rolls and weapon damage rolls with his Wisdom modifier, not his Strength modifier.

Emphasis mine. The enchant uses your Wisdom mod INSTEAD of your Strength mod.


Guided property, assuming it works on range weapons, wouldn't do much for guns or crowssbows (just WIS to attack), but my God, it would be amazing for a Zen Archer Monk with a composite longbow.

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