What order are Two-Weapon Fighting Attacks made in & what about the extra attack from Haste?
Primary Hand - Longsword
Off-Hand - Sickle (Trip Weapon)
BAB +6, so without the Improved TWF I only get 1 attack with the off-hand.
Obviously I would like to trip my opponent first, then attack with the Longsword (Twice), gaining a +4 to hit, due to a prone target.
But my gut is telling me that the first attack must come from the Primary Hand: Longsword, then Trip with Sickle, then attack with Logsword again (at BAB-5).
When does the Haste Attack come? When you want / Start / End?
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What order are Two-Weapon Fighting Attacks made in & what about the extra attack from Haste?
Primary Hand - Longsword
Off-Hand - Sickle (Trip Weapon)BAB +6, so without the Improved TWF I only get 1 attack with the off-hand.
Obviously I would like to trip my opponent first, then attack with the Longsword (Twice), gaining a +4 to hit, due to a prone target.But my gut is telling me that the first attack must come from the Primary Hand: Longsword, then Trip with Sickle, then attack with Logsword again (at BAB-5).
When does the Haste Attack come? When you want / Start / End?
The two-weapon fighting rules in the Combat chapter of the CRB don't say anything about a certain order, just that you can get an extra attack. I see no reason you couldn't start with the sickle.
Same with haste - it says nothing about the order.
As for the iterative attacks, the combat chapter does specify that you start with your highest bonus and work your way down. But I can't find anything suggesting that other "extra" attacks (as from TWF or haste) have to come at a certain point.
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You can pick which hand goes first, and you resolve all of those attacks before beginning with your other hand.
If you get multiple attacks because your base attack bonus is high enough, you must make the attacks in order from highest bonus to lowest. If you are using two weapons, you can strike with either weapon first. If you are using a double weapon, you can strike with either part of the weapon first.
What order are Two-Weapon Fighting Attacks made in & what about the extra attack from Haste?
Full Attack: "If you are using two weapons, you can strike with either weapon first."
So you may sickle/trip before longsword beatdown.
Haste does not specify.
For iterative attacks, "If you get multiple attacks because your base attack bonus is high enough, you must make the attacks in order from highest bonus to lowest." I take this to mean not only do you start with the highest BAB attack, but you perform ALL of them, then other attacks. Many people here prefer to interlace their attacks (main, off, main, off) but I think it's easier to run and more compliant with the rule to make all the main-hand iterative attacks in order, uninterrupted.
Thanks for that (How did I miss that, its in the core rulebook).
Follow-up question:
Would the Trip attack made with the off hand weapon be calculated using half strength?
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You can pick which hand goes first, and you resolve all of those attacks before beginning with your other hand.
If you get multiple attacks because your base attack bonus is high enough, you must make the attacks in order from highest bonus to lowest. If you are using two weapons, you can strike with either weapon first. If you are using a double weapon, you can strike with either part of the weapon first.
"Either weapon first" does not equal "all attacks with one hand then all attacks with the other". I'm not sure how you got that.
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Thanks for that (How did I miss that, its in the core rulebook).
Follow-up question:
Would the Trip attack made with the off hand weapon be calculated using half strength?
The trip attempt doesn't deal damage, and the "half strength" thing applies to damage rolls only.
So no.
Would the Trip attack made with the off hand weapon be calculated using half strength?
No, that applies to damage, not to hit.
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"Either weapon first" does not equal "all attacks with one hand then all attacks with the other". I'm not sure how you got that.You can pick which hand goes first, and you resolve all of those attacks before beginning with your other hand.
If you get multiple attacks because your base attack bonus is high enough, you must make the attacks in order from highest bonus to lowest. If you are using two weapons, you can strike with either weapon first. If you are using a double weapon, you can strike with either part of the weapon first.
Yeah, that was a bit of a ridiculous brainfart. Nevermind.
"Either weapon first" does not equal "all attacks with one hand then all attacks with the other". I'm not sure how you got that.
The reasoning is the attacks from high BAB (from here on: "iterative attacks") must be made in order, highest to lowest.
Off hand attacks are similar, the feats grant a second attack and a third attack respectively.
Many people consider that to be a restriction ONLY on those iterative attacks or off-hand attacks themselves, thus interlacing attacks from other weapons, haste, etc. is OK, as long as the iterative/offhand attacks themselves don't get out of order.
Others (myself included) think the RAI is that each hand goes off on its own, so all the iterative attacks must be made, not only in order, but without other attacks in between. Much like a monster stat block. (Balor: longsword +31/+26/+21/+16, whip +30/+25/+20)
This also simplifies things, as the iterative attacks are fairly straightforward: one bonus, then -5, then -5, etc. Same damage, same basic bonus due to weapon enchants, feats, etc. Then start with the next weapon(s).
The Balor example is much less confusing than longsword +31, whip +30, longsword +26, whip +25, longsword +21, whip +20, longsword +16.