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Apologies if this has already been asked, but I didn't see it mentioned anywhere.
Unarmed fighter gets any single style feat as a bonus feat at level 1.
Does this mean it has to be a feat with the word style in it (Dragon Style, Kirin Style, etc)?
Or does this mean a style feat like the catagory of feat, "style feats"? I am reading it as the latter, because a normal fighter gets "combat" bonus feats, which is a category as well. Am I wrong about this?
Edit: to clarify, since prereqs arent an issue, I'm wondering if I can take Snapping Turtle Clutch at level 1 with this bonus feat, and then using my regular feat to pick up Snapping Turtle Style.
I was wondering this also, but I think you have to have/pick the combat style feat first.
You're correct about the Style feats. It is the type of feat you can choose, but in the Unarmed Fighter's case, they would only ever get the first feat in any of the Style chains for free.
If you're an Unarmed Fighter, you get Improved Unarmed Strike and any first Style feat for the price of one bonus combat feat. You want Snapping Turtle Style. If you want Snapping Turtle Clutch, the earliest you could take it is at 3rd level because you still have to meet all of the prereqs for it. You would need to take Improved Grapple as one of your 1st or 2nd level bonus feats.
EDIT: If you read the bonus feat text from Master of Many Styles, it reads the same as the Unarmed Fighter, but then specifically states that the Monk can choose a feat in that style's feat path. Unarmed Fighter does not say this, so you can assume that style feat really does refer to any feat with the word "style" in it. =\
What if you're multiclassing into unarmed fighter (say, at 3rd level), and already meet the prerequisites for a later feat in a style chain?
Otherwise, it just seems unusually restrictive (especially when compared to the standard fighter's flexibility, as pointed out by the OP).
In that situation, I don't see why not. But it is a rather cheesy way to get a full chain of Style feats for free within the first three levels. Besides that, I see no other reason to multiclass Unarmed Fighter and Monk (of Many Styles) as they do virtually the same thing.
What I don't understand about the Unarmed Fighter is that 1st level is the only time they qualify for such a feat. They should qualify earlier for style feats, at least in the same chain, at other bonus combat feat levels. Letting them focus on at least one style chain for free seems like a given for this archetype.
I don't see it as being that cheesy, since a human MoMS could already have all three feats belonging to a certain style by level 2. Other reasons to multiclass include better BAB, an extra feat (plus front-loading them - seven feats for a human at level 4!), and proficiency in all monk weapons, including the exotic ones (having reach would be nice as far as options go).
I do agree that it seems a bit wonky that the only mention of style feats for the Unarmed Fighter comes at level 1.
Edit to note: I think there are legitimate flavor reasons to multiclass between the two classes. The unarmed fighter clearly represents an individual focused on the physical acts of fighting, without the spiritual components which come with being a monk. If a character conception somehow occupies the gray area between these two worlds, multiclassing would be a decent way to represent that.
I had a big response typed out, but I just don't care. We'll both do what we want with the sources given to us, and hopefully it will be fun and awesome. I will say that, human or not, you can only have either the Panther or Snapping Turtle style chains maxed out at 2nd level. Both are really good options for such a low level, though.
So can any body Clarify?
I am a unarmed fighter I Thought i had to take the first feat in the chain if i don't' i will change it.
I think only the first feat in the chain actually have the Style feat type. Which if thats the case then no you can't take later ones.
On another note don't most of the later feats require you to be using the first feat to benifit?
On another note don't most of the later feats require you to be using the first feat to benifit?
They do. For example, the first sentence of the Mantis Torment feat gives you static benefits. The next part of the benefit starts with, "While using Mantis Style," which requires you to have the prerequisite feat.
Also note that while all of the basic Style feats and their feat chains are listed in the table on p. 86-88 under the heading Style Feats, most of the 3rd-chain (and a couple 2nd-chain) feats only have the Combat tag in their actual description. Sticking with the above example, the actual description has the feat listed as Mantis Torment (Combat), not Mantis Torment (Combat, Style). I'd like to hope that RAI was to have all of the chain listed as style feats, but enough of them are missing the tag in their actual descriptions to probably be intentional.
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I was wondering this also, but I think you have to have/pick the combat style feat first.
Since the current text...
At 1st level, a unarmed fighter gains the Improved Unarmed Strike feat and any single style feat as a bonus feat....
...uses the word "any", without any accompanying text limitations, I'm FAQing this.
Every first-in-path Style feat also contains limitations, such as multiple skill ranks or BAB2, which makes it impossible to legally feat-equip a 1st-level Unarmed Fighter -- unless they get the Style feat without prerequisites -- so it is therefore reasonable to assume that sans prerequisites was the intent of the designer.
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Checked yes only the first feat in the chains are actually Style Feats the rest are only combat so you can take any first feat but not the later ones.
I was wondering this also, but I think you have to have/pick the combat style feat first.Since the current text...
At 1st level, a unarmed fighter gains the Improved Unarmed Strike feat and any single style feat as a bonus feat....
...uses the word "any", without any accompanying text limitations, I'm FAQing this.
Every first-in-path Style feat also contains limitations, such as multiple skill ranks or BAB2, which makes it impossible to legally feat-equip a 1st-level Unarmed Fighter -- unless they get the Style feat without prerequisites -- so it is therefore reasonable to assume that sans prerequisites was the intent of the designer.
I don't think it's at all reasonable to assume that. Master of Many Styles still has to meet certain style feat prerequisites, and that's what they focus on is styles. Unarmed Fighter shouldn't be any better than them at styles. Why should they be able to get a feat at 1st level that the Monk can't get even get until at least 6th level (or even later if not using Monk bonus feats)?
Maybe they should've worded it differently, but I'm pretty sure they meant "any style feat" as in a feat with the Style descriptor... much like how the Fighter's bonus feats are exclusive to feats with the Combat descriptor (like what WRoy was talking about before). I don't think this needs FAQing or errata. It just needs common sense.
Every first-in-path Style feat also contains limitations, such as multiple skill ranks or BAB2, which makes it impossible to legally feat-equip a 1st-level Unarmed Fighter -- unless they get the Style feat without prerequisites -- so it is therefore reasonable to assume that sans prerequisites was the intent of the designer.I don't think it's at all reasonable to assume that. Master of Many Styles still has to meet certain style feat prerequisites, and that's what they focus on is styles. Unarmed Fighter shouldn't be any better than them at styles.How the hell is he supposed to have two or more ranks in a skill at 1st level?
Re-iterate: ALL the base Style feats have prerequisites that are impossible to meet at first level (e.g., Dragon Style requires 3 ranks in Acrobatics), therefore it is not possible to get your style feat as a 1st-level Unarmed Fighter.
FAIL, thus FAQ'd.
What me and submit are saying mike is that only the 1st feats are [b] Style [b] feats meaning i can take Crane style or Mantis Style at first level but not Crane Wing and Mantis Torment.
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1) Me bad on one thing (which I'm surprised nobody jumped all over me for):
... The unarmed fighter need not meet all the prerequisites of the style feat he chooses....
<forehead smack ... sometimes it pays to read dis stuff>
2) Note that all of the up-the-chain feats are also "category" Combat / "type" Style just like the base ones (with "style" in their name), so there's going to be confusion.
2) Note that all of the up-the-chain feats are also "category" Combat / "type" Style just like the base ones (with "style" in their name), so there's going to be confusion.
Not in the book they aren't only the base ones are listed as style in my PDF.
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Not in the book they aren't...
They are in the tables, so as I said, there's going to be confusion until errata.
Not in the book they aren't...They are in the tables, so as I said, there's going to be confusion until errata.
Yeah thats true though i always figured Text trumped Tables. I assume they are there since feat chains are always listed together regardless of alphabeticalness or what not.
When is this gonna be resolve? Im dying to play a monk with katana being able to flurry of blows and this would be a good cheap way to get ascetic form :/
Thread necro aside, it has been resolved.
Only the first feat in the order is a style feat. This can easily be checked on PRD, PDSRD and ArchivesofNethys by searching for the style tag.
Ascetic Form is a combat feat.
Ascetic Style is a combat feat, but also a style feat.
Ascetic Style only applies to Monk weapons anyhow.
Crusader's Flurry + one level of Crusader Cleric of Shizuru. Also then Domain Strike: Gentle Rest and Medusa's Wrath bonus feat.
When is this gonna be resolve? Im dying to play a monk with katana being able to flurry of blows and this would be a good cheap way to get ascetic form :/
To flurry with katana, all you need is
this on the katana (weapon group: close)Brawlers flurry
Brawler’s Flurry (Ex): Starting at 2nd level, a brawler can make a brawler’s flurry as a full-attack action. When doing so, a brawler has the Two-Weapon Fighting feat when attacking with any combination of unarmed strikes, weapons from the close fighter weapon group, or weapons with the “monk” special feature. She does not need to use two different weapons to use this ability.