Atonement - who can cast it for me?

[Midnight_Angel]

By strictly reading the RAW, I find no restriction (other than on whose spell lists the spell is) who can use it on whom.

So, RAW, it would be zero Problem to help a CN Priestess of Calistria to help a LG Paladin (who fell from Grace), or a Cleric of Asmodeus to come back to good terms with their respective deities... or is there any snippet about 'compatible alignment' I missed somewhere?

[A Man In Black]

Midnight_Angel wrote:

By strictly reading the RAW, I find no restriction (other than on whose spell lists the spell is) who can use it on whom.

So, RAW, it would be zero Problem to help a CN Priestess of Calistria to help a LG Paladin (who fell from Grace), or a Cleric of Asmodeus to come back to good terms with their respective deities... or is there any snippet about 'compatible alignment' I missed somewhere?

No, there is no RAW rule. It would be reasonable to say Calistria's clergy wouldn't be inclined to help out those characters in that way, but if the cleric has a good reason to do so, I don't see any reason she should be incapable of doing so.

[Atavist]

Midnight_Angel wrote:

So, RAW, it would be zero Problem to help a CN Priestess of Calistria to help a LG Paladin (who fell from Grace), or a Cleric of Asmodeus to come back to good terms with their respective deities... or is there any snippet about 'compatible alignment' I missed somewhere?

Just reading about Atonement the spell, if the target committed their misdeed intentionally the caster has to intercede with their (the casters) deity. Since the paladin didn't get their abilities from Asmodeus or Calistria in the first place, it probably wouldn't help to restore them (no, I see no specific rules mentioning this).

At the least, it would be an awkward conversation with your devil-turned-god.

[Allia Thren]

I don't think there's a RAW on it, but you could see it like "your cleric of Calistra asks her goddess to put in a good word with the paladin's deity on the paladin's behalf". They might do so, even if they themselves don't really believe the transgression was a bad one.

Most good and neutral deities are on good terms with each other, and many are allied actually. I see no problem there.
Some of them don't get along to well, and while not exactly at war with one another, carry some sort of grudge. It might be harder here, but they might suck it up for a bit, for the greater good.
Others are at war. Yeah good luck there.

Even though I'd wonder why a paladin of a LG deity would travel with a cleric of Asmodeus in the first place.
I guess a LG paladin of a LN god, who's traveling with a LN cleric of Asmodeus might work, even though it might be stretching it a bit - in that case however, if those two gods aren't at war, see above, might actually work.

So in other words: Make a judgment call depending on the gods that are involved.

[LazarX]

I've always required any such character to seek atonement from a cleric of their diety. If you're not apologising to your own god, then you're not really atoning.

[Bobson]

There's nothing for paladins, but for clerics:

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A cleric or druid who has lost the ability to cast spells by incurring the anger of her deity may regain that ability by seeking atonement from another cleric of the same deity or another druid. If the transgression was intentional, the casting cleric must expend 2,500 gp in rare incense and offerings for her god's intercession.

[A Man In Black]

Bobson wrote:

There's nothing for paladins, but for clerics:

Which kind of leaves the clerics of causes out in the cold, but PF has a weirdly hostile relationship with that as it is.

[Allia Thren]

A Man In Black wrote:

Bobson wrote:

There's nothing for paladins, but for clerics:

Which kind of leaves the clerics of causes out in the cold, but PF has a weirdly hostile relationship with that as it is.

Well clerics of causes can hardly anger their deity in the first place, so they most likely wouldn't need atonement.

[A Man In Black]

Allia Thren wrote:

Well clerics of causes can hardly anger their deity in the first place, so they most likely wouldn't need atonement.

They can, however, act in a manner inconsistent with their principles, just as druids (who need no deity) can. A cleric of peace who murders someone in cold blood is done getting cleric of peace powers until he seeks atonement, even if there is no Bob the God of Peace to cut him off.

[hgsolo]

A Man In Black wrote:

Allia Thren wrote:

Well clerics of causes can hardly anger their deity in the first place, so they most likely wouldn't need atonement.

They can, however, act in a manner inconsistent with their principles, just as druids (who need no deity) can. A cleric of peace who murders someone in cold blood is done getting cleric of peace powers until he seeks atonement, even if there is no Bob the God of Peace to cut him off.

Well in that case you're stuck trying to find either another cleric of the same cause or you find a cleric who's god is closest to your ideals. If a cleric of some ideal does not believe they need a deity, but still recognizes that a cleric of some deity holds similar beliefs, that should be close enough.

[LazarX]

hgsolo wrote:

A Man In Black wrote:

Allia Thren wrote:

Well clerics of causes can hardly anger their deity in the first place, so they most likely wouldn't need atonement.

They can, however, act in a manner inconsistent with their principles, just as druids (who need no deity) can. A cleric of peace who murders someone in cold blood is done getting cleric of peace powers until he seeks atonement, even if there is no Bob the God of Peace to cut him off.

Well in that case you're stuck trying to find either another cleric of the same cause or you find a cleric who's god is closest to your ideals. If a cleric of some ideal does not believe they need a deity, but still recognizes that a cleric of some deity holds similar beliefs, that should be close enough.

Or try not betraying your cause in the first place. That always works. If you can't stay true to your cause, find another or a real god that will take you in after proving yourself.