Summon Monster spells - break down this statblock for me?


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The Ghaele Azata has Holy Aura constantly active. Is the Holy Aura included in its own statblock already, most notably on its saving throws?

Furthermore, do creatures with True Seeing constantly in-use lose it as part of the Summon Monster no-material-component-SLAs clause?

Regards!


Fort +17, Ref +11, Will +16 listed - so Fort and Will as good saves for a 13HD creature have a base of +8/+4/+8.
Con 20 = +5, Dex 12 = +1, Wis 19 = +4. So that takes it to +13 / +5 / +12. With Holy Aura (+4 to all) that takes it to +17 / +9 / +16.
So there is a discrepancy on the Ref saving throw and yes it does appear that the Holy Aura is figured in.


You mean that discrepancy of having the Lightning Reflexes feat listed under the Feats section of its statblock, as the last one on the second line?

Sorry, couldn't resist :)

Grand Lodge

Azure wrote:

The Ghaele Azata has Holy Aura constantly active. Is the Holy Aura included in its own statblock already, most notably on its saving throws?

Furthermore, do creatures with True Seeing constantly in-use lose it as part of the Summon Monster no-material-component-SLAs clause?

Regards!

yes and no. Creatures like the Ghaele don't use material components for their SLA abilities.


LazarX wrote:
Azure wrote:

The Ghaele Azata has Holy Aura constantly active. Is the Holy Aura included in its own statblock already, most notably on its saving throws?

Furthermore, do creatures with True Seeing constantly in-use lose it as part of the Summon Monster no-material-component-SLAs clause?

Regards!

yes and no. Creatures like the Ghaele don't use material components for their SLA abilities.

They do not, no, but they are also disallowed from using any Spell or Spell-like Ability that emulates a spell with an expensive material component, as per Summon Monster spell line. Remember, this is for when they are summoned via Summon Monster ONLY.

The question here is, "Does the Summon Monster clause include a constantly-active ability, or just on-use ones?", because True Seeing is indeed a spell-like ability that emulates a spell with an expensive material component. It makes things a little silly, as then a summon that has 'just' See Invisibility is pointedly better than one that tots full on True Seeing. ;)


The Ghaele has see invisibility as a spell-like ability, not true seeing. The true seeing is one of the Cleric spells it can cast. When summoned, the Ghaele would still have see invisibility (as a constant spell-like ability), but it could not cast true seeing (as a Cleric spell).

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