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Now we know the only pure ranged weapons you can make a CDG with are bow and crossbow.
After reading over the firearm rules i don't see anything allowing you make CDG attempts with them.
Was wondering if this was oversight or intentional i really find it hard to believe that you can't but with the way gun rules ended up i wouldn't be suprised if it were intentional.
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Here are the steps to deal with someone being that much of a rules lawer
Hold the book down on the table with one hand.
Point to the fine print of a table and say it proves them wrong
When they lean over to look bring the sides of the book sharply up around their ears.
Um...who's being a rules lawyer?Here are the steps to deal with someone being that much of a rules lawer
Hold the book down on the table with one hand.
Point to the fine print of a table and say it proves them wrong
When they lean over to look bring the sides of the book sharply up around their ears.
Anyone that reads the coup de grace section (written before firearms were widely incorporated into the rules) and says "Nope, you can't coup de grace with that giant musket, its not a bow or crossbow"
Ah. but I can, even by RAW. All I have to do is to take it by the other end and use it as a club...
*runs for cover*
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This came up at one of my tables recently (hence the thread resurrection.)
I allowed it, except that I still required the gunslinger to roll his attack (to determine whether the gun misfired.) So long as no misfire occurred, I allowed that it worked like a standard CdG - auto-confirming crit etc.. I thought this was a reasonable compromise.
If you can't execute someone with a point blank gunshot in a dramatic fashion, what's even the point?
I'd say firearm Coup De Grace works the same way as any other weapon coup de grace. Maybe with a roll to avoid misfire.
Nah, see, firearms are loud. Really loud. When you're about to pull the trigger, you anticipate the loudness and squeeze your eyes shut. You know, so you won't see the sound. You need your eyes wide open to perform a coup de grace, but your eyes are wide shut, at least for that instant, so you cannot reliably aim your coup de grace - THAT'S why you can't do it. By RAW.
Makes sense when you have a bazillion ranks in Mental Gymnastics. ;)
I think if you have a helpless enemy and you're going to Coup de Grace them, the numbers and means are basically negligible. I had a druid in a WotW game who did his Coup de Graces by placing a hand over their mouth and casting create water until they drowned.
The only time I really care about the numbers is if somebody tried to Coup de Grace mid combat, and I'd just treat firearms as bows. There's no reason you can't e white somebody with a firearm at point blank range.
When the original rule was written, Ultimate Combat wasn't out yet and firearms didn't exist. Did you expect them to go back and errata literally every single rule to explicitly mention firearms?
When the original rule was written, Ultimate Combat wasn't out yet and firearms didn't exist. Did you expect them to go back and errata literally every single rule to explicitly mention firearms?
Or they could say "You can coup de grace with a gun like you would with a bow or crossbow" somewhere in the gun rules. Maybe make the gun user roll for misfire but auto-hit otherwise. You know, something reasonable.