(UC) Body Shield Feat and a Dead Gnome


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The PostMonster General wrote:

Body Shield (Combat)

With a sly maneuver, you force a grappled opponent into the path of an incoming attack.
Prerequisites: Dex 13, Improved Grapple, Improved Unarmed Strike, base attack bonus +6.

Benefit: As an immediate action while you are grappling an adjacent creature, you can make a grapple combat maneuver check against that creature to gain cover against a single attack. If you are successful and
the attack misses you, that attack targets the creature you used as cover, using the same attack roll. You cannot use this feat against a creature grappling you, and the cover you gain ends after the attack you gained cover against is resolved.

OK, I know I am just asking for it but as far as I know there is nothing in RAW that says you cannot grapple a dead body. So what if you carried around a dead gnome which would be really easy to grapple with one hand. Then when ever anyone tried to attack you make a combat maneuver to deflect the blow with the gnome as an immediate action and thus avoid damage if it succeeds.

The imagery just really gets me laughing really hard.


ItoSaithWebb wrote:


OK, I know I am just asking for it but as far as I know there is nothing in RAW that says you cannot grapple a dead body. So what if you carried around a dead gnome which would be really easy to grapple with one hand. Then when ever anyone tried to attack you make a combat maneuver to deflect the blow with the gnome as an immediate action and thus avoid damage if it succeeds.

The imagery just really gets me laughing really hard.

1. You only get 1 immediate acton per round (unless you used your swift action)

2. If you want to perma grapple something then you'll have the grappled condition as well (-2 on Attack Rolls, CMB Checks) (Can't Move) (-4 to Dexterity) (No AoO)

PRD: Combat: Grapple - If successful, both you and the target gain the grappled condition.


Stynkk wrote:


2. If you want to perma grapple something then you'll have the grappled condition as well (-2 on Attack Rolls, CMB Checks) (Can't Move) (-4 to Dexterity) (No AoO)

brutal pugilist says, "Hello puny man."


Matt Stich wrote:
brutal pugilist says, "Hello puny man."

A brutal pugilist will still not be able to move with the grappled condition while grappling a dead body.


Your next BBEG is now an orcish barbarian running around with a hog tied gnome covered in AC boosting and healing items with some suspenders to make for a convenient carrying handle.


Stynkk wrote:
Matt Stich wrote:
brutal pugilist says, "Hello puny man."
A brutal pugilist will still not be able to move with the grappled condition while grappling a dead body.

Why not?

CRB pg 200 wrote:


Move: You can move both yourself and your target up to
half your speed. At the end of your movement, you can place
your target in any square adjacent to you.

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Wouldn't you simply be holding the dead Gnome, after all he is not trying to resist your grapple.


Matt Stich wrote:


Why not?

CRB pg 200 wrote:


Move: You can move both yourself and your target up to
half your speed. At the end of your movement, you can place
your target in any square adjacent to you.

touche sir. Succeed on grapple check & move half speed. No double moves.


bigkilla wrote:
Wouldn't you simply be holding the dead Gnome, after all he is not trying to resist your grapple.

If I were to grapple you while you were alive I would still be using wrestling moves on you whether or not you were resisting. To me a grapple just means that you are controlling a person's body with various holds. They don't have to resist.

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ItoSaithWebb wrote:
bigkilla wrote:
Wouldn't you simply be holding the dead Gnome, after all he is not trying to resist your grapple.
If I were to grapple you while you were alive I would still be using wrestling moves on you whether or not you were resisting. To me a grapple just means that you are controlling a person's body with various holds. They don't have to resist.

there is a strong scent of cheeze here.


bigkilla wrote:
ItoSaithWebb wrote:
bigkilla wrote:
Wouldn't you simply be holding the dead Gnome, after all he is not trying to resist your grapple.
If I were to grapple you while you were alive I would still be using wrestling moves on you whether or not you were resisting. To me a grapple just means that you are controlling a person's body with various holds. They don't have to resist.
there is a strong scent of cheeze here.

Yes, I do believe it has a hint of Limburger or perhaps a Stilton.


Stynkk wrote:
Matt Stich wrote:


Why not?

CRB pg 200 wrote:


Move: You can move both yourself and your target up to
half your speed. At the end of your movement, you can place
your target in any square adjacent to you.
touche sir. Succeed on grapple check & move half speed. No double moves.

So you'd move like a dwarf the whole time ;)


A dead body is an object, not a creature.


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Don't forget about the new rage power Body Bludgeon. The BBEG is dual wielding two hogtied gnomes, blocking with one and bludgeoning you to death with the other.


j b 200 wrote:
Don't forget about the new rage power Body Bludgeon. The BBEG is dual wielding two hogtied gnomes, blocking with one and bludgeoning you to death with the other.

I forgot about that, Hmmm ,the possibilities.


That's when you switch from Grapple to Drag maneuver, what's the CMD of a helpless opponent?? 10? So you should be able to move a little...I mean c'mon they're dead...of course I would limit the movement of drag to they're encumbered movement.

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