Four Mirror Armor Shananigans? +12AC, Max dex of 2?


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Four-Mirror Armor: This armor consists of four plates harnessed together with leather shoulder straps. Two round plates protect your front and back, while two smaller rectangular plates cover the sides of the torso. Four-mirror armor is worn over chainmail to provide added protection, and comes with a spiked helmet with a chainmail hood.

This does not seem right. It can be worn over Chainmail, Giving me +12AC with +2 Max Dex, and its MEDIUM ARMOR??!!?? Tell me thats a typo Please James....

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Goraxes wrote:
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Four-Mirror Armor: This armor consists of four plates harnessed together with leather shoulder straps. Two round plates protect your front and back, while two smaller rectangular plates cover the sides of the torso. Four-mirror armor is worn over chainmail to provide added protection, and comes with a spiked helmet with a chainmail hood.
This does not seem right. It can be worn over Chainmail, Giving me +12AC with +2 Max Dex, and its MEDIUM ARMOR??!!?? Tell me thats a typo Please James....

I believe that the Four Mirror armor is considered to always be worn with chain mail, not that they stack. The quote from the text is: 'Four-mirror

armor is worn over chainmail to provide added protection...'

It IS worn with chainmail for added protection, not 'it can be' meaning it would possibly stack, the bonuses are already added in for you. Basically its reskinned chainmail to look asian, dont let the fluff get in the way of the crunch here.


riatin wrote:
Goraxes wrote:
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Four-Mirror Armor: This armor consists of four plates harnessed together with leather shoulder straps. Two round plates protect your front and back, while two smaller rectangular plates cover the sides of the torso. Four-mirror armor is worn over chainmail to provide added protection, and comes with a spiked helmet with a chainmail hood.
This does not seem right. It can be worn over Chainmail, Giving me +12AC with +2 Max Dex, and its MEDIUM ARMOR??!!?? Tell me thats a typo Please James....

I believe that the Four Mirror armor is considered to always be worn with chain mail, not that they stack. The quote from the text is: 'Four-mirror

armor is worn over chainmail to provide added protection...'

It IS worn with chain mail for added protection, not 'it can be' meaning it would possibly stack, the bonuses are already added in for you.

It has all the same stats of Chainmail, which means i am paying 45gold for flavor?

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Goraxes wrote:
riatin wrote:
Goraxes wrote:
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Four-Mirror Armor: This armor consists of four plates harnessed together with leather shoulder straps. Two round plates protect your front and back, while two smaller rectangular plates cover the sides of the torso. Four-mirror armor is worn over chainmail to provide added protection, and comes with a spiked helmet with a chainmail hood.
This does not seem right. It can be worn over Chainmail, Giving me +12AC with +2 Max Dex, and its MEDIUM ARMOR??!!?? Tell me thats a typo Please James....

I believe that the Four Mirror armor is considered to always be worn with chain mail, not that they stack. The quote from the text is: 'Four-mirror

armor is worn over chainmail to provide added protection...'

It IS worn with chain mail for added protection, not 'it can be' meaning it would possibly stack, the bonuses are already added in for you.

It has all the same stats of Chainmail, which means i am paying 45gold for flavor?

Yeah, the price seems off to me, I agree there.

Liberty's Edge

Has there been an official ruling on this yet?

Liberty's Edge

Cause if it stacks, that means you are able to put enchantments on both... This can get really out of hand really quick and player can munchkin this really badly...


First of all, it wouldn't stack, period. They both provide armor bonuses, that don't stack.

The only real question is the price difference and whats going on.

Grand Lodge

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There is ZERO chance it stacks. Both are armor bonuses so they don't stack. You can't enchant two armor and wear two armor and try to stack them...there is already a rule that says only the highest enchantment apples and it nullifies the other armor.

And you wanna talk about price issues? This ain't even the worst offender. Haramaki is flat out better then padded armor by a LONG shot (like you use to have to apply +1000 gp materials to make it this good better) and costs LESS.

Shadow Lodge

They're both separate armors. Four-mirror armor weighs more than chainmail, but is cheaper.

Liberty's Edge

Goraxes wrote:
riatin wrote:
Goraxes wrote:
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Four-Mirror Armor: This armor consists of four plates harnessed together with leather shoulder straps. Two round plates protect your front and back, while two smaller rectangular plates cover the sides of the torso. Four-mirror armor is worn over chainmail to provide added protection, and comes with a spiked helmet with a chainmail hood.
This does not seem right. It can be worn over Chainmail, Giving me +12AC with +2 Max Dex, and its MEDIUM ARMOR??!!?? Tell me thats a typo Please James....

I believe that the Four Mirror armor is considered to always be worn with chain mail, not that they stack. The quote from the text is: 'Four-mirror

armor is worn over chainmail to provide added protection...'

It IS worn with chain mail for added protection, not 'it can be' meaning it would possibly stack, the bonuses are already added in for you.

It has all the same stats of Chainmail, which means i am paying 45gold for flavor?

Four-mirror armor, 45 gp, AC +6, max Dex +2, Armor Check penalty –5, Spell failure 30%, Move 20 ft., weight 45 lbs.

Chainmail 150 gp, AC +6, max Dex +2, Armor Check penalty –5, Spell failure 30%, Move 20 ft., weight 40 lbs.

You are paying 105 gp less for the same protection and 5 more lbs of weight.
I would call it a bargain for a low level character.

Unless you have convinced yourself that you need to buy and wear both armours for to get the protection I fail to see the basis of your complain.


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Use Chain if you're in a weight limit crunch and have money to spare. Use Four-Mirror if you have weight limit to spare and are limited on money. Use both if your GM is sunder-happy.


Goraxes wrote:
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Four-Mirror Armor: This armor consists of four plates harnessed together with leather shoulder straps. Two round plates protect your front and back, while two smaller rectangular plates cover the sides of the torso. Four-mirror armor is worn over chainmail to provide added protection, and comes with a spiked helmet with a chainmail hood.
This does not seem right. It can be worn over Chainmail, Giving me +12AC with +2 Max Dex, and its MEDIUM ARMOR??!!?? Tell me thats a typo Please James....

With the exception of the Armored Kilt, Armor bonuses (which both sets provide) dont stack.

Armor check penalties do.

Feel free to wear as many suits of armor as you want.

;)

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