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Will there be any guidelines for changing existing PFS character's faction, or is that something that just won't be allowed. If there are already guidelines for this, could someone please let me know where they can be found. Thanks
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Will there be any guidelines for changing existing PFS character's faction, or is that something that just won't be allowed. If there are already guidelines for this, could someone please let me know where they can be found. Thanks
The guidelines are on page 15 of the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play (v4.0).
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The guidelines aren't as clear as they need to be.
What was Current Prestige Awards is now Prestige Points. What was Total Prestige Awards is now Fame.
However, "you may changes factions one time with no cost to Prestige Points, (though you still lose any Prestige Awards accumulated as part of your old faction)". It seems like Prestige Awards should convert to Prestige Points as part of the Season 3 housecleaning. But if that's true, you never should have Prestige Awards.
The other interpretation is that you can change factions, but you lose all unspent Prestige Awards, although you do not have to pay Prestige Points for the privilege. I find it hard to believe that the designers intended for my level 7 oracle to lose 28 prestige awards if one of the newly introduced factions was a better fit than her old faction.
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I'm also a bit confused about what the limits of the phrase 'lose any Prestige Awards accumulated as part of your old faction' are. If my character switches from Andoran to the Silver Crusade, do agents of Andoran come and confiscate his part-used wand of CLW (that I bought for 2 prestige points)? If I'd spent prestige points to have raise dead cast on him, would they come and kill him? ;-)
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I'm also a bit confused about what the limits of the phrase 'lose any Prestige Awards accumulated as part of your old faction' are. If my character switches from Andoran to the Silver Crusade, do agents of Andoran come and confiscate his part-used wand of CLW (that I bought for 2 prestige points)? If I'd spent prestige points to have raise dead cast on him, would they come and kill him? ;-)
I wondered that too.
The Wand bit, I mean, not so much the murderous settling of accounts.
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The guidelines aren't as clear as they need to be.
What was Current Prestige Awards is now Prestige Points. What was Total Prestige Awards is now Fame.
However, "you may changes factions one time with no cost to Prestige Points, (though you still lose any Prestige Awards accumulated as part of your old faction)". It seems like Prestige Awards should convert to Prestige Points as part of the Season 3 housecleaning. But if that's true, you never should have Prestige Awards.
The other interpretation is that you can change factions, but you lose all unspent Prestige Awards, although you do not have to pay Prestige Points for the privilege. I find it hard to believe that the designers intended for my level 7 oracle to lose 28 prestige awards if one of the newly introduced factions was a better fit than her old faction.
When I read that last night, I was also unclear on what the intent was exactly. FAQ away.
AFAIK, there are no prestige awards in PFS, but maybe they will start.
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Blog posts have hinted that each faction, through the upcoming Field Manual, will offer unique rewards to it's members once they reach a certain level of fame/spend a bit of prestige. I imagine the statement about 'rewards' going away is to avoid people jumping from faction-to-faction collecting the ones they want for their character.
Blog posts have hinted that each faction, through the upcoming Field Manual, will offer unique rewards to it's members once they reach a certain level of fame/spend a bit of prestige. I imagine the statement about 'rewards' going away is to avoid people jumping from faction-to-faction collecting the ones they want for their character.
In that case, maybe they only mean you lose any faction-specific Prestige Awards, not the Generic Prestige Awards from table 5-4. That would make more sense.
In that case, maybe they only mean you lose any faction-specific Prestige Awards, not the Generic Prestige Awards from table 5-4.you still lose any Prestige Awards accumulated as part of your old faction
If putting those words in bold was supposed to clarify something for me, it didn't work. :-)
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What is the technical process for changing ones faction? Does the GM just write the new faction on the Chronicle sheet? Does the player have to email someone? How is this done?
It looks like you just change the faction on the Chronicle sheet. Personally, I would put it in the notes section and have your next GM initial it the same as any other character change.
If you spend prestige to (for instance) become an Eagle Knight, but you decide to leave the Andoran faction, you are no longer an Eagle Knight.
Right, that's the clear part. The unclear part is what happens if I spent prestige "accumulated as part of [my] old faction" to acquire an item from the Generic Prestige Awards table. Do I have to give it back? If not, why not?
For instance if a Paladin of the Silver Crusade is playing Shipyard Rats would you give him a faction mission close to his faction (Andoran, maybe?), tailor a specific Faction Mission, or give him no Faction Mission at all?
See Page 24 -- a Silver Crusader does the same mission as an Andoran.
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Ive got multiple PFS characters (4 to be exact, right now). So, if I want to change factions, does that mean I need to change any and all factions Im wanting to change before I (the player) play in a module in season 3 with any character, or is it separate for each character?
So if I dont play one of them til the last week before the Season 4 deadline, can I still change that last character's faction for free, or since Ive already played another character in this season, does leave my last one hanging out to dry?
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So if I dont play one of them til the last week before the Season 4 deadline, can I still change that last character's faction for free, or since Ive already played another character in this season, does leave my last one hanging out to dry?
"If such a change occurs, it must appear on the character’s first
Chronicle dated after August 4, 2011. All free faction changes musttake place before the official start of Season 4 (August 16, 2012)."
It seems clear to me from the guide that it is on a character by character basis since it "must appear on the character's first Chronicle dated after August 4, 2011".
The second question is trickier and I'm not going to speculate.
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So if I dont play one of them til the last week before the Season 4 deadline, can I still change that last character's faction for free, or since Ive already played another character in this season, does leave my last one hanging out to dry?
One free change per character, the first session you play with that character in Season 3, before the start of Season 4. So in your example case, yes, you could change that 4th characters faction for free (1 time) if you didn't play him until the week before Season 4 started.
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I will have to admit I am not sure how the particulars of the changing of factions will shake out.
I think with the introduction of five new factions, allowing a free faction change for an already existing character sounds reasonable.
Perhaps one of the original factions wasn't a good fit, and now you have found a faction that that fits your character concept much better.
I think it would be very reasonable to require all free faction changes for established characters changes to be noted on the first chronicle sheet you receive for that character after August 4th 2011.
As for the second requirement, for these free changes to take place before august 16, 2012, well this only allows us 12 days to make these free faction changes. For many people this 12 day window may not be feasible. It may not be possible to play a character and get a chronicle
sheet for a character in that time frame.
To me, it would be reasonable to allow some flexibility with the August 16 date. But then again, I am only one GM running a small PFS group at my local gaming store up here in the
Vermont / New Hampshire woods.
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I think it would be very reasonable to require all free faction changes for established characters changes to be noted on the first chronicle sheet you receive for that character after August 4th 2011.
As for the second requirement, for these free changes to take place before august 16, 2012, well this only allows us 12 days to make these free faction changes. For many people this 12 day window may not be feasible. It may not be possible to play a character and get a chronicle
sheet for a character in that time frame.
Aug 4 2011
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Aug 16 2012 are more than 12 days apart on my calendar =)
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What about Faction Traits? can I get a Chelix character switching to Shadow lodge who had the Hellfire trait, do I switch to a Shadow lodge trait?
Mark Moreland said in another thread (I think the announcement of the release of the 4.0 guide) that you don't lose an existing faction trait due to changing factions, but you also can't take a new one because of the rule that you can only have one of any given category of trait (campaign traits, in this case).
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This might not be relevant to the changing of factions, but what about characters that run the Intro Steps scenarios? They don't have faction traits available, so are they allowed to switch one faction trait once they've chosen their faction? (at the end of Intro 3)
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This might not be relevant to the changing of factions, but what about characters that run the Intro Steps scenarios? They don't have faction traits available, so are they allowed to switch one faction trait once they've chosen their faction? (at the end of Intro 3)
This is a good question. I've told my players to leave a trait slot "open" and fill it once they pick a faction at the end of "First Steps".
Or do players wishing to take a faction trait have to lock it in at char creation? Skipping out on the chance to meet all faction leaders before making that choice.
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No, Mark said in another thread you could do (if they wish) exactly what you've told your players to do--leave a slot open till the end of the First Steps series and choose a trait once they choose a faction.This might not be relevant to the changing of factions, but what about characters that run the Intro Steps scenarios? They don't have faction traits available, so are they allowed to switch one faction trait once they've chosen their faction? (at the end of Intro 3)This is a good question. I've told my players to leave a trait slot "open" and fill it once they pick a faction at the end of "First Steps".
Or do players wishing to take a faction trait have to lock it in at char creation? Skipping out on the chance to meet all faction leaders before making that choice.
Okay, so they may leave it open. They can't switch the trait after the third scenario?
Oh and I told my players the same as Kelly did. Seems to be the logical thing to do.
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I'm also a bit confused about what the limits of the phrase 'lose any Prestige Awards accumulated as part of your old faction' are. If my character switches from Andoran to the Silver Crusade, do agents of Andoran come and confiscate his part-used wand of CLW (that I bought for 2 prestige points)? If I'd spent prestige points to have raise dead cast on him, would they come and kill him? ;-)
The following text is being added to the Guide and will appear in the next revision:
You retain your faction traits, if any, but lose any faction-specific Prestige Awards you have accumulated during your time with your old faction; generic Prestige Awards from table 5–4 and Vanities are unaffected.
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What about Faction Traits? can I get a Chelix character switching to Shadow lodge who had the Hellfire trait, do I switch to a Shadow lodge trait?Mark Moreland said in another thread (I think the announcement of the release of the 4.0 guide) that you don't lose an existing faction trait due to changing factions, but you also can't take a new one because of the rule that you can only have one of any given category of trait (campaign traits, in this case).
EDIT: Sorry, missed Mark's post just above mine that this is already in the works.
This rule needs to be added to the PFS Guide section on changing faction.
It is going to be an issue for anyone who took a faction trait and changes faction. I would have guessed we had to change to a legal trait from our new faction, based on the rebuild rules for changes to feats and traits.