
Ornery Hobbit |
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Judgment Surge
Once per day, the power of your faith surges, further empowering your judgments.
Prerequisites: Judgment class feature, judgement twice per day class feature
Benefit: Once per day, you can treat your class level for your judgment class feature as if it were 3 higher than normal. If you have multiple judgments active at the same time, this benefit applies to all of them.
Does this mena that the Inquisitor gets an extra Judgement when he activiates the feat in battle if he is say 4th level and the feat makes him 7th (IE does he go from 2 to 3 judgements, should he decide to activate them all at once?)
OH

Matt Stich |

Judgment Surge
Once per day, the power of your faith surges, further empowering your judgments.Prerequisites: Judgment class feature, judgement twice per day class feature
Benefit: Once per day, you can treat your class level for your judgment class feature as if it were 3 higher than normal. If you have multiple judgments active at the same time, this benefit applies to all of them.
Does this mena that the Inquisitor gets an extra Judgement when he activiates the feat in battle if he is say 4th level and the feat makes him 7th (IE does he go from 2 to 3 judgements, should he decide to activate them all at once?)
OH
I think you're misinterpreting it, Judgment twice per day means you can activate the Judgment ability twice, but you can only have it up once per combat. They are only able to use two types of Judgment at the same time at 8th level.
The level jump does not allow you to activate another Judgment from the level jump, it only improves your existing chosen Judgment.

Ornery Hobbit |
Ornery Hobbit wrote:Judgment Surge
Once per day, the power of your faith surges, further empowering your judgments.Prerequisites: Judgment class feature, judgement twice per day class feature
Benefit: Once per day, you can treat your class level for your judgment class feature as if it were 3 higher than normal. If you have multiple judgments active at the same time, this benefit applies to all of them.
Does this mena that the Inquisitor gets an extra Judgement when he activiates the feat in battle if he is say 4th level and the feat makes him 7th (IE does he go from 2 to 3 judgements, should he decide to activate them all at once?)
OH
I think you're misinterpreting it, Judgment twice per day means you can activate the Judgment ability twice, but you can only have it up once per combat. They are only able to use two types of Judgment at the same time at 8th level.
The level jump does not allow you to activate another Judgment from the level jump, it only improves your existing chosen Judgment.
It just seems to me that they chose the number 3 for a reason. As it is, that feat only then affects 4 of the 9 judgements listed if we go by your interpretation. I seem to remember that there were more than a few folks who though the INQ was underpowered compared to the other new classes when they were released. Given that prevailing opinion, would it not then make sense for the designers to add a bit more oomph to the INQ by way of class specific feats to bring it back to level? Hence my question about the use of the number 3 in there. Given that the number of judgements you can use per day goes up in increments of 3 levels, it does beg the question as to whether that is part of it. I'm sure they could have worded the feat differently to absolutely, positively discount that possibility if they wanted to. But they didn't.
OH

Matt Stich |

Matt Stich wrote:Ornery Hobbit wrote:Judgment Surge
Once per day, the power of your faith surges, further empowering your judgments.Prerequisites: Judgment class feature, judgement twice per day class feature
Benefit: Once per day, you can treat your class level for your judgment class feature as if it were 3 higher than normal. If you have multiple judgments active at the same time, this benefit applies to all of them.
Does this mena that the Inquisitor gets an extra Judgement when he activiates the feat in battle if he is say 4th level and the feat makes him 7th (IE does he go from 2 to 3 judgements, should he decide to activate them all at once?)
OH
I think you're misinterpreting it, Judgment twice per day means you can activate the Judgment ability twice, but you can only have it up once per combat. They are only able to use two types of Judgment at the same time at 8th level.
The level jump does not allow you to activate another Judgment from the level jump, it only improves your existing chosen Judgment.
It just seems to me that they chose the number 3 for a reason. As it is, that feat only then affects 4 of the 9 judgements listed if we go by your interpretation. I seem to remember that there were more than a few folks who though the INQ was underpowered compared to the other new classes when they were released. Given that prevailing opinion, would it not then make sense for the designers to add a bit more oomph to the INQ by way of class specific feats to bring it back to level? Hence my question about the use of the number 3 in there. Given that the number of judgements you can use per day goes up in increments of 3 levels, it does beg the question as to whether that is part of it. I'm sure they could have worded the feat differently to absolutely, positively discount that possibility if they wanted to. But they didn't.
OH
Considering the ability is called "Judgment Surge" I don't think that's part of it. Because The number of judgments you may use in any given activation of Judgment doesn't increase every 3 levels, only the number of times you can activate Judgment, like Smite Evil.
Also, Inquisitors are awesome, I don't know what you're talking about. Maybe in the beginning before people would widely use them. They are pretty versatile and very good at what they do. The strike hard and fast, and can put bane on a weapon, and the damage increases to 4d6.
It only improves the 4 Judgments you are talking about. Think about combining it with the Slayer class feature, which would treat your levels as +8 higher than your actual level for determining the effects of the Judgments, but you do not get more activations of Judgments, as Slayer (and JS) only apply to the current activation of Judgment.

Ornery Hobbit |
Ornery Hobbit wrote:Considering the ability is called "Judgment Surge" I don't think that's part of it....Matt Stich wrote:Ornery Hobbit wrote:Judgment Surge
Once per day, the power of your faith surges, further empowering your judgments.Prerequisites: Judgment class feature, judgement twice per day class feature
Benefit: Once per day, you can treat your class level for your judgment class feature as if it were 3 higher than normal. If you have multiple judgments active at the same time, this benefit applies to all of them.
Does this mena that the Inquisitor gets an extra Judgement when he activiates the feat in battle if he is say 4th level and the feat makes him 7th (IE does he go from 2 to 3 judgements, should he decide to activate them all at once?)
OH
I think you're misinterpreting it, Judgment twice per day means you can activate the Judgment ability twice, but you can only have it up once per combat. They are only able to use two types of Judgment at the same time at 8th level.
The level jump does not allow you to activate another Judgment from the level jump, it only improves your existing chosen Judgment.
It just seems to me that they chose the number 3 for a reason. As it is, that feat only then affects 4 of the 9 judgements listed if we go by your interpretation. I seem to remember that there were more than a few folks who though the INQ was underpowered compared to the other new classes when they were released. Given that prevailing opinion, would it not then make sense for the designers to add a bit more oomph to the INQ by way of class specific feats to bring it back to level? Hence my question about the use of the number 3 in there. Given that the number of judgements you can use per day goes up in increments of 3 levels, it does beg the question as to whether that is part of it. I'm sure they could have worded the feat differently to absolutely, positively discount that possibility if they wanted to. But they didn't.
OH
I also like the INQ as a concept so I have no problems with them, but I do remember folks thinking they got cobbled after the Judgements were reduced from the PT version

Sean Mahoney |
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The way I am reading it this feat would give the following:
1 additional use of Judgement per day
When this additional use is activated the specific judgement you have active at any given time is also improved.
Destruction, Fast Healing, Piercing, and resistance will all always be one step better as these all go up by three levels each.
Depending on your starting level you will also see an increase in Justice, Protection, Purity, Resiliency and Smiting as these go up in power in more than three levels.
Second, Third and True Judgement are all seperate class abilities from Judgement and are not affected by this feat. So you still only have your normal number of judgements going at any given time.
Sean Mahoney

Matt Stich |

The way I am reading it this feat would give the following:
1 additional use of Judgement per day
You are correct on everything except this, from what I am reading. This treats your level as 3 higher for the purposes of individual Judgments. Nowhere does it specify you get an additional use of the Judgment class feature.
The wording, "Once per day, you can treat your class level for your judgment class feature as if it were 3 higher than normal," doesn't support that interpretation and it goes against every Extra XXXX feats in existence referring to class abilities.

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Thread Necro!
Sorry about digging this one up, but I'm an old judge who for the first time has a Player running an Inquisitor, so I am doing research and haven't found a thread where this is resolved.
By my reading, Sean Mahoney is almost correct on everything on this, including that Judgement Surge would give an Inquisitor an additional use of judgement - if they use Judgement Surge after using all their normal judgements in the day.
If they use Judgement Surge on an earlier judgement, it would improve the effects (as detailed above), but it would still use up one judgement for the day, and later when they want to use judgement again, they have used their one use of Judgement Surge for the day and thus wouldn't get the extra use of Judgement (not being counted as three levels higher at that time).
SO... if the Inquisitor uses Judgement Surge early, they don't get any extra uses. But if they save it for when they are out of daily uses, then using it (temporarily) increases their number of daily uses and they have one use left.
NOW, does anyone know if this was resolved in a different thread and my statements above were a waste of time?
:)
oh! and thanks for your input.

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It hasn't a duration, and that generates lots of problems.
Normally when you get this kind of temporary increase of an ability, it doesn't increase the number of uses.
If it increases the number of uses, what happens? You use the ability, the number of uses increase, then the battle ends and the inquisition in use stop. Do you have an extra use to start the next inquisition? When you start the nest inquisition during the next battle you use it at your level or with +3 levels?
If you use it at a base level, why do you get an extra use of the ability?
As I see it, you must use it when you activate the inquisition ability or while already using an inquisition ability, and it doesn't give extra uses.
It is a once/day ability, not a once/day, for the full day ability.

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It hasn't a duration, and that generates lots of problems.
Normally when you get this kind of temporary increase of an ability, it doesn't increase the number of uses.
If it increases the number of uses, what happens? You use the ability, the number of uses increase, then the battle ends and the inquisition in use stop. Do you have an extra use to start the next inquisition? When you start the nest inquisition during the next battle you use it at your level or with +3 levels?
If you use it at a base level, why do you get an extra use of the ability?As I see it, you must use it when you activate the inquisition ability or while already using an inquisition ability, and it doesn't give extra uses.
It is a once/day ability, not a once/day, for the full day ability.
I disagree - but I do not want to argue. (yeah-yeah, I know. What am I doing on the Rules thread if I don't want to argue...)
I just wanted to know if there were any other threads or possibly an FAQ where this was discussed more or more recently.

bbangerter |

Benefit: Once per day, [you can get one more use of your judgement ability per day]
The above doesn't really make much sense. Hence, I have to conclude that it does not increase the uses per day.
It's poorly worded, but my reading is when you activate a judgement, then you can choose (once per day) to make your active judgements more powerful.