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Trying to understand various FoB interpretations of the rulesbook.
Core says "A monk applies his full Strength bonus to his damage rolls for all successful attacks made with flurry of blows, whether the attacks are made with an off-hand or with a weapon wielded in both hands." and "A monk cannot use any weapon other than an unarmed strike or a special monk weapon as part of a flurry of blows." Emphasis mine.
So, A shuriken can be used as part of a monk's FoB and its damage would get the full Strength bonus applied. Correct?
Also, it does not matter if the shuriken is in the "primary" hand, the other hand, or one in each; because any/all get the full Strength bonus on damage, because a monk has no off hand. Correct?
Correct, on all counts.
Thank you.
So if a monk has no off hand, then looking at a stat block for Flurry of Blows, which seems to break out AB & Dmg for 1H-P, 1H-O, etc...
Shouldn't all the AB & Dmg be the same?Is there any reason why under FoB stats, the Damage for 1H-O would be less than 1H-P ?
I am confused by the question. All the damage should be the same, but I don't get the attack bonus question.
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OK, I got to ask. Core says "Flurry of Blows ... For the purpose of these attacks, the monk’s base attack bonus is equal to his monk level." Fine, I got that. Starts at one.
Why oh why does the Table 3-10 on Core page 58 say the Flurry of Blows Attack Bonus is -1/-1 at Monk Level 1?
Is this because the FoB AB should be added to the (modified) Monk BAB=1 yielding an effective AB of 0+Str (for melee)?
OK, I got to ask. Core says "Flurry of Blows ... For the purpose of these attacks, the monk’s base attack bonus is equal to his monk level." Fine, I got that. Starts at one.
Why oh why does the Table 3-10 on Core page 58 say the Flurry of Blows Attack Bonus is -1/-1 at Monk Level 1?
Is this because the FoB AB should be added to the (modified) Monk BAB=1 yielding an effective AB of 0+Str (for melee)?
Because you get Monk Level (for BAB) but you also get -2 penalty from Flurry.
You don't break even till past level 5.
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OK, I got to ask. Core says "Flurry of Blows ... For the purpose of these attacks, the monk’s base attack bonus is equal to his monk level." Fine, I got that. Starts at one.
Why oh why does the Table 3-10 on Core page 58 say the Flurry of Blows Attack Bonus is -1/-1 at Monk Level 1?
Is this because the FoB AB should be added to the (modified) Monk BAB=1 yielding an effective AB of 0+Str (for melee)?
Well, the monk gets his full BAB for flurry of blows, so it is equal to his monk level. However, flurry of blows is treated like two-weapon fighting, so it gets -2 to all attacks. That means that, absent other bonuses, the final attack bonus for a 1st level monk is +1 BAB, -2 TWF, for a total of -1/-1.
Can a five foot step be taken in the middle of Flurry of Blows? or not because Flurry is a full action & no five foot step is allowed at all?
No five foot step during FoB.
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Can a five foot step be taken in the middle of Flurry of Blows? or not because Flurry is a full action & no five foot step is allowed at all?No five foot step during FoB.
I do believe that the rules state this answer is incorrect.
From the Core Rulebook, page 181:
Full-Round Action: A full-round action consumes all your effort during a round. The only movement you can take during a full-round action is a 5-foot step before, during, or after the action. You can also perform free actions and swift actions (see below). See Table 8–2 for a list of full-round actions.
Emphasis is my own, but, just like any other full-round action, you can take a 5' step during your flurry of blows. The same holds true for anyone with iterative attacks being able ot 5' step between attacks.
Once only, of course, per round.
Flurry of blows is essentially the FULL two weapon fighting tree. -1/-1 refers to your 'base attack bonus' while flurrying, which is always two attacks or more, and must be used as a full attack action. You can't 'flurry a single strike at full base attack bonus' to get around the -2 penalty (for attacking with an "off hand" light weapon, your fist or watever).
Level 1 = 1 BAB, -2 for two attacks = -1/-1
Get it?
Your damage is always the same, even if you attack TWICE or even FIVE TIMES with the SAME shortsword! Flurry is neater than 2WF.
And Callarek is correct. You can take a 5-foot step at any point before, during, or after your flurry, just like any other full attack action.
Thank you.
So if a monk has no off hand, then looking at a stat block for Flurry of Blows, which seems to break out AB & Dmg for 1H-P, 1H-O, etc...
Shouldn't all the AB & Dmg be the same?Is there any reason why under FoB stats, the Damage for 1H-O would be less than 1H-P ?
This sounds like you're using PCGen. PCGen does weird things with flurry (it still uses 3.5 rules for attack sequence, for instance). Just use the 1H-P damage and derive all the other rolls from the best one using the table in the book.
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Excellent. So it is the Combat description that gives that info. Thanks!
It even says that after the first attack, I can abort the rest & do something else. That's good to know.I've been rolling all the attack die together -- this means I should probably stop doing that, and just roll the 1st attack die & damage together, then decide the 2nd. Otherwise, I am not sure a GM would allow a change in the middle.
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It also says under Full Attack, that "You do not need to specify the targets of your attacks ahead of time. You can see how the earlier attacks turn out before assigning the later ones." and "If you are using two weapons, you can strike with either weapon first."
So does this mean I can unarmed strike with the 1st attack and throw a Shuriken with the 2nd? At a game, I was told they must both be melee or both range, but I can't find that rule.
Also, you can flurry using any combination of unarmed strikes and monk weapons (emphasis mine). So, suppose you are adjacent to one baddie (A), with another (B) 15' away. You could hit A with an unarmed strike, take a 5' step toward B, and throw a shuriken at him.