| AerynTahlro |
I'm looking to build a sorceress who focuses on Enchantment/Charm, and the "best" bloodline that I could find to enhance that at all is the Infernal Bloodline. However, it appears that there are only 4 spells that actually have the (charm) descriptor in the spell in the entire wizard/sorcerer spell list. Does that really mean that the Bloodline Arcana of adding +2 to charm dc's is useless except for those 4 spells??
(Spells: Charm Person, Charm Monster (mass/single), Symbol of Persuasion)
| Momar |
I'm looking to build a sorceress who focuses on Enchantment/Charm, and the "best" bloodline that I could find to enhance that at all is the Infernal Bloodline. However, it appears that there are only 4 spells that actually have the (charm) descriptor in the spell in the entire wizard/sorcerer spell list. Does that really mean that the Bloodline Arcana of adding +2 to charm dc's is useless except for those 4 spells??
(Spells: Charm Person, Charm Monster (mass/single), Symbol of Persuasion)
I recommend the fey bloodline, which gives a +2 DC to compulsion spells. There are a lot more compulsions than charms. Alternatively, if you really want the charm DC boost too you could crossblood fey and infernal to get +2 DC to most of the things in the enchantment school. I don't advise this mechanically, since the cross blooded downsides are a little harsh, and as you pointed out there aren't that many charms, but it's an option if you really want to be infernal.
If you're going to get to higher levels you could also consider either crossblooded fey/arcane or eldritch heritage arcane bloodline for +2 DC to all enchantment spells (you get this at 15 for crossblooded or 17 for eldritch heritage).
| Foghammer |
I'm looking to build a sorceress who focuses on Enchantment/Charm, and the "best" bloodline that I could find to enhance that at all is the Infernal Bloodline. However, it appears that there are only 4 spells that actually have the (charm) descriptor in the spell in the entire wizard/sorcerer spell list. Does that really mean that the Bloodline Arcana of adding +2 to charm dc's is useless except for those 4 spells??
(Spells: Charm Person, Charm Monster (mass/single), Symbol of Persuasion)
Ultimate Magic should have included several more, I believe. Check the PRD.
| AerynTahlro |
I recommend the fey bloodline, which gives a +2 DC to compulsion spells. There are a lot more compulsions than charms.
I'll probably just do that instead. I'll have to review the compulsion spell list. I just liked the Infernal Bloodline for a character concept, but the great thing about concepts is that they can change, right?
Ultimate Magic should have included several more, I believe. Check the PRD.
That's where I built my spell list from ;-)
| KrispyXIV |
You might want to check out the Serpentine Bloodline (and to a lesser extent the Undead Bloodline and the Verdant (Groveborn) Bloodlines), as it GREATLY expands the list of things your enchantments actually work on.
I know I'm greatly considering a dip into a Crossblooded sorcerer just for the fun of Hold Person becoming Hold Person or Undead or Animal or Magical Beast or Monstrous Humanoid, etc., and for the interestingness of working that into my background :)
| SunsetPsychosis |
It also depends on what kind of enchantress you want to play. Are you looking for the 'I can make everybody my friend' sort, or the 'I can make everyone my puppet' sort? Charm spells tend to be more subtle, often more useful for social combat and the like, while Compulsion spells are more direct and invasive, and often more useful in real combat.
| AerynTahlro |
You might want to check out the Serpentine Bloodline (and to a lesser extent the Undead Bloodline and the Verdant (Groveborn) Bloodlines), as it GREATLY expands the list of things your enchantments actually work on.
I considered those, but discarded them because I didn't really "feel" for the fluff behind them. :-/
It also depends on what kind of enchantress you want to play. Are you looking for the 'I can make everybody my friend' sort, or the 'I can make everyone my puppet' sort? Charm spells tend to be more subtle, often more useful for social combat and the like, while Compulsion spells are more direct and invasive, and often more useful in real combat.
I have a feeling that there will be more combat than non-combat charming, so Compulsion it is.
| SunsetPsychosis |
Note that the Bloodline Arcana applies to all spells you cast, even if not from your sorcerer levels, so it's possibly worth it to make an enchanter Wizard with a dip into sorcerer for the bonus DC. At that point, there's no reason not to make it crossblooded, since the penalty to spells known for sorcerer is irrelevant if you never take more than a single level, and the -2 to Will saves can be countered easily enough.