Come and Get Me question

[godsDMit]

Is Come and Get Me, the Barbarian Rage Power, limited by the number of Attacks of Opportunity you are legally allowed to make on a turn, or does it go outside that?

So, if I have a Dex of 14, but no Combat Reflexes, would I still only get to strike back once a round?

[Bascaria]

Yup.

You need combat reflexes (and/or the rage power that gives you one more AoO) to really take advantage of the power.

That said, it is an awesomely powerful power, and having to spend a feat in order to make it good is well worth the cost of admission.

[Matt Beatty]

You are limited by your AoO that you can make.

I started with a 14 dex and took combat reflexes. This will give me three AoO to use with CaGM. I will probably bump my dex up some with a belt at some point too. Unfortunately, to do this you have to take out some Con, but it is totally worth it. You might want to also get some feats to help with reach (step up series, lunge, a reach weapon) because you need to be threatening when they hit you.

[Bascaria]

Step up tree isn't really going to help you here as it only lets you move in response to an adjacent foe moving away from you. So the only time that happens is a dude with a reach weapon stepping back, and since you've followed him he now can't attack you, which means CaGM doesn't trigger.

Combat Patrol would work, but you are giving up your own full-attack to use it, so it probably isn't worth it.

Lunge and Monkey Lunge are good, as is having a reach weapon.

Also, as a barbarian, you wanna have some dex since you can't wear heavy armor. Plus, getting a +2 dex added to whatever is in your belt slot (a +str/con belt, mayhaps?) costs only 6000 gp, so it is definitely doable by the time you can take this (12th level). Adding +4 dex costs 24,000. +6 dex is 54,000.

[Kendal Ogles]

Bascaria wrote:

Step up tree isn't really going to help you here as it only lets you move in response to an adjacent foe moving away from you. So the only time that happens is a dude with a reach weapon stepping back, and since you've followed him he now can't attack you, which means CaGM doesn't trigger.

And this is bad how? You deny them an attack. I will take not getting hit in the face by a full attack any day any time.

Also, step up really helps you when you are dealing with monsters with natural reach. They don't suffer that gap in their attack range.

[SunsetPsychosis]

The entire point of Come and Get Me is to get hit in the face. The more they hit you, the more you hit them. Denying them an attack, while preventing you from taking damage, also defeats the purpose of the power.

[Bascaria]

SunsetPsychosis wrote:

The entire point of Come and Get Me is to get hit in the face. The more they hit you, the more you hit them. Denying them an attack, while preventing you from taking damage, also defeats the purpose of the power.

This.

If you are fighting a natural attack with reach enemy who wants to get cheeky and five-foot step back to avoid your attacks of opportunity from having CaGM, then yeah, it would help. But that strikes me as a pretty rare occurrence, and one which is better solved by just taking a reach weapon (and/or) lunge, which costs the same number of feats, but is more generally applicable.

[SunsetPsychosis]

Lunge is already a pretty decent feat for a Come and Get Me barbarian, since between the bonuses from CaGM, the penalties from raging (and likely usage of Reckless Abanadon), your AC isn't going to be worth a damn anyways, so the -2 from lunge really won't change the fact that any enemy who wants to hit you, can.

[Jason Nelson]

Bear in mind that Lunge only increases your reach until the end of YOUR turn.

It doesn't help you get AoO-reach in between your turns, like when other creatures are moving around and whomping you.

[Kendal Ogles]

SunsetPsychosis wrote:

The entire point of Come and Get Me is to get hit in the face. The more they hit you, the more you hit them. Denying them an attack, while preventing you from taking damage, also defeats the purpose of the power.

The whole point of come and get me is to increase your attacks compared to theirs. By denying the enemy an attack you are doing the SAME THING. I take a full attack, you get screwed by step up, I get another full attack. To my count that's 2 full attacks to their none. Its not a bad addition to Come and Get Me, as previously stated, it allows you to stay closed and threaten an enemy, unlike lunge.

[Ton Wu]

Still about combat reflexes + AoO + Come and get me:

1. What I want to know is, does a single "action" that involves multiple "acts" that provoke an AoO actually provoke multiple AoOs from the same creature?
Ex: An archer that fire 2 arrows (ranged attack action) in a barbarian's treat range, will he take 2 AoOs, one from each attack?

2.CaGM + Combat Reflexes + high DEX let the barbarian to take more than one AoO from a single enemy that attack him multiple times in a same round?

There is a FAQ or words from Jason about these questions?

[Chess Pwn]

Ton Wu wrote:

Still about combat reflexes + AoO + Come and get me:

1. What I want to know is, does a single "action" that involves multiple "acts" that provoke an AoO actually provoke multiple AoOs from the same creature?
Ex: An archer that fire 2 arrows (ranged attack action) in a barbarian's treat range, will he take 2 AoOs, one from each attack?

2.CaGM + Combat Reflexes + high DEX let the barbarian to take more than one AoO from a single enemy that attack him multiple times in a same round?

There is a FAQ or words from Jason about these questions?

1) You look at per "act". so 2

2) The enemy provokes for each attack, so the barb can take an AoO for every attack made against him.