Effectively seems that I can create something out of wood...but what else? Vines? Rubber? Sap? Post your ideas!
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Rope, paper, all kinds of flammable things like tar oil (bitumen in old-timey speak), coal, charcoal, olive oil, incense, glycerine, all kinds of medicinal herbs and extracts like quinine for antimalarial action, flour, sawdust, cotton clothing, clubs and quarterstaves, pine cones, canvas, woad, buckets, ladders, barrels, chairs, canvas-bound books, canola oil, amber, jet, mistletoe, frankincense, myrrh, wicker men, scarecrows, stools, troughs, gauze, crepe, curtains, wagon wheels, picture frames, shelves, benches, tables, birdhouses, tent poles, roof shingles, wooden shields, high-fructose corn syrup, Dutch clogs, old-fashioned dentures, David Caruso's acting, the list goes on. It's like having an invisible Swedish man at your beck and call.
It's like having an invisible Swedish man at your beck and call.
Even better, actually, since he can decipher the instructions for you.
I have been wondering about this spell lately as well and I am have been wondering it is possible to create black powder for guns with the advent of guns and the Gunslinger class.
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Gunpowder, also known since the late 19th century as black powder, is a mixture of sulfur, charcoal, and potassium nitrate.
Since sulfur and potassium nitrate are both minerals, and not dead plant matter, the answer is no - minor creation can't make black powder... unless your game world happens to have 'gunpowder trees' or somesuch...
Gunpowder, also known since the late 19th century as black powder, is a mixture of sulfur, charcoal, and potassium nitrate.Since sulfur and potassium nitrate are both minerals, and not dead plant matter, the answer is no - minor creation can't make black powder... unless your game world happens to have 'gunpowder trees' or somesuch...
Okay, with total respect this might be reaching a bit, but both sulfur and potassium nitrates are found in plant material because they are both nutrients that are needed for plants to grow, thus they are present in plant material and this is in turn is how those elements get into our own systems when we eat plants.
If you create plant material via the minor creation spell, living or not, those elements would still be present, would they not? If this is true then you are creating those elements with the spell. So why could you not create those elements separate if they are already found in plant material?
Now one could argue that because of the nature of the spell you can't break it down because they must be a plant material, which means they have plant cells, but on the same token that would mean you could not create materials that were once plant material such as charcoal, oil or tar. Charcoal, Oil and Tar are not plant materials but they are a byproduct vegetational and other organism decay because there is no plant cellular structure to them, hydrocarbons are molecular substances not vegetational cellular forms.
If you deny any connection and say it must be purely plant material then that material must contain plant cellular structure for this to be true.
Now I cannot deny that my argument is an attempt to be able to create black powder with the spell but I am trying to illustrate that this denies the creation of those other substances in the past that have had held precedence before in what you could create with the spell.
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LOL! :)
I see I failed my 'spot trap' roll... ;p
If you allow the spell to create minerals... and, I assume, anything else... that happen to be found in plants, then I guess you can just go ahead and let it create anything you want.
Personally, I'd approach it from a less scientific, more medieval, point of view - what can you make out of non-living plant matter? - and not treat that as if it's some sort of trick question. Is black powder non-living plant matter? No. So no, you can't create it with this spell. It's pretty simple really.
The other way to look at it is to take a look at what major creation says it can create in addition to what minor creation can create - and that's minerals: stone, crystal, base metals, precious metals, gems, and rare metals (as defined in the spell description on page 311 of the Core book). So minor creation, by definition, can't create any of those things.
Personally I'd not be inclined to allow minor creation to whip up oil or tar or plastics or the like, even if it could be argued that they're 'non-living plant matter', because, at best, you're into some murky waters and straying what the spell seems to intend. Stick to wood and cotton and paper and the like - you still have a pretty infinite number of options of what you can make with the spell without succumbing to the need to game (or metagame) the system.
IMHO, natch.
LOL! :)
I see I failed my 'spot trap' roll... ;p
If you allow the spell to create minerals... and, I assume, anything else... that happen to be found in plants, then I guess you can just go ahead and let it create anything you want.
Personally, I'd approach it from a less scientific, more medieval, point of view - what can you make out of non-living plant matter? - and not treat that as if it's some sort of trick question. Is black powder non-living plant matter? No. So no, you can't create it with this spell. It's pretty simple really.
The other way to look at it is to take a look at what major creation says it can create in addition to what minor creation can create - and that's minerals: stone, crystal, base metals, precious metals, gems, and rare metals (as defined in the spell description on page 311 of the Core book). So minor creation, by definition, can't create any of those things.
Personally I'd not be inclined to allow minor creation to whip up oil or tar or plastics or the like, even if it could be argued that they're 'non-living plant matter', because, at best, you're into some murky waters and straying what the spell seems to intend. Stick to wood and cotton and paper and the like - you still have a pretty infinite number of options of what you can make with the spell without succumbing to the need to game (or metagame) the system.
IMHO, natch.
Indeed and I am glad that my point got across adequately and not to aggressively, sometimes I have that problem. Anyways I would agree sticking to just things that are made of fibrous or rigid plant material works best. Also you are correct that you can do a lot of things from this spell because in the creating of that material I believe according to the spell material you can shape that material into any object you want.
Wooden weapon, wooden armor, shields, a bridge, arrows, thousands wooden marbles to give your enemies the slip, a wall to block corridors, wooden cage and that is just the stuff that I can think off in a minute off the top of my head. Of course a good craft skill check is needed but that is not to hard to do.
From a scientific stand point I find it ironic that the lower level spell can create a more complex material but the higher level spell is the one that can create the simpler material.
They are needed for plants to grow, but are quickly converted into other chemicals for the plants use.
Good suggestions. I wonder if a hemp bag would count here? What would the Craft skill required to make some of these be? Simple woodcraft? Would a Profession(carpenter) do for some of these?