charging dmg resolved

[Death Dealer Rex]

How would you resovle the attack and damage bonus from the following?

lvl 14 cavalier (BAB 14)
mounted and charging
target is his challenge
power attack with furious focus
+3 lance weilded with 1h and sheild in other
character str bonus is +7
mount str bonus is +7 (mounted mastery)
character has feat spirited charge

sorry for so many variables but thats why its so confusing to me.
Any input at all is GREATLY GREATLY appreciated

[Carbon D. Metric]

I am calculating it as a +26 (17/12 for secondary attacks on a normal full attack) with power attack on. You would be rolling 1d8+39 normally. If you critically hit you would have to reverse engineer it so you can find out how much that is but my head already hurts.

[qutoes]

Carbon D. Metric wrote:

I am calculating it as a +26 (17/12 for secondary attacks on a normal full attack) with power attack on. You would be rolling 1d8+39 normally. If you critically hit you would have to reverse engineer it so you can find out how much that is but my head already hurts.

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[Death Dealer Rex]

Carbon D. Metric wrote:

I am calculating it as a +26 (17/12 for secondary attacks on a normal full attack) with power attack on. You would be rolling 1d8+39 normally. If you critically hit you would have to reverse engineer it so you can find out how much that is but my head already hurts.

ok how does spirited charge work with x3? is that 1d8+39 x3 with spirited charge?

[Tommy Vaceck]

Really hate to thread necro this but the math seems a scant off.
At level 14 the Cavalier has BAB 14. Power Attack is -4/+8(+12). Cavaliers Charge (Level 3 class feature) gives you +4 to charge attacks instead of +2, and negates the AC penalty. Greater Banner at level 14 gives +4 morale bonus to charge attack rolls. Order of the Sword gives a +4 morale vs challenge target to attack. And of course the persons Strength Mod +7.

14(BAB) + 4(Mounted Charge) + 4(Sword Morale) + 7 (Str Mod) + 3(Enhancement Bonus)= 32 (to hit) -4 Power Attack = +28 to hit.
If we lost the shield and held the lance in two hands we negate Power Attack and keep the +32.
(RAW/RAI the Lance is still Two-Handed weapon so charging in one hand qualifies for Furious Focus since you are still wielding a Two-Handed weapon. Of course GM may have some qualms about this. Otherwise the first hit is still +32.)

Damage.
1d8 Lance + 3(enhance) +7 (Cav Str) +7 (Mount Str) +8 (PA) +14(Challenge)

1d8 +39 19-20/x3 (Mighty Charge doubles threat range on a charge. Non stacking level 11 feature)

If we lost shield and held lance in two hands.
1d8 lance +3(Enhance) +10 (Cav Str) +7(Mount Str) +12 (PA) +14 Challenge)
resulting in 1d8 +46: 19-20/x3

so we result in a one handed lance charging at +28 1d8+39
(+28; 3d8+117 Spirited Charge) [+28 to confirm extra 2d8 +78 on a crit.]
Crit damage is 5d8+195.

Two Handed Lance Charge +32 1d8+46. (+32 3d8+138 Spirited Charge) [+32 to confirm Extra 2d8+92 on a crit.]
Crit damage is 5d8+230!

Anyone else think that's correct? not that it matters anymore lol

[AerynTahlro]

I don't fully agree with your numbers, Tommy.

~~ATTACK~~
BAB 14
Charge +2 (+2 additional from Cavalier's Charge)
Order +4 Morale
Lance +3
Str 7
Higher Ground +1 (assuming the target is smaller than your mount)
TOTAL +33 to hit

You're not taking the Attack penalty thanks to Furious Focus (you're still attacking with a two-handed weapon, even if it's in one hand...the feat doesn't say that you have to be using both hands with the weapon, and the lance is still a 2h weapon in this case).

~~DAMAGE~~
Challenge +42 (+14 base, 3x from Spirited Charge)
Order +21 (+7 mount's Strength from Mounted Mastery, 3x from Spirited Charge)
PA +36 (+12 base, 3x from Spirited Charge)
Lance 3d8+9 (damage tripled from being mounted and having Spirited Charge, assuming a medium character)
Str +21 (3x from there for Spirited Charge)

TOTAL = 3d8 + 129; Damage will range from 132 to 153, averaging 142.

On a crit the 3x Spirited Charge would go to a 5x, adding...
Challenge +28
Order +14
PA +24
Lance 2d8 + 6
Str +14
TOTAL = 5d8 + 215; Damage will range from 220 to 255, averaging 237.
(The total listed above factors in previous damage)

2-handing the lance while charging would only add 9 damage to a non-crit, and 15 damage to a crit.

[Tommy Vaceck]

Ok I see that we are allowing the same 'Lance is a two-handed weapon' clause to add the 50% bonus on Power Attack while wielding the lance in one hand and that is where the main difference is.

I did mention the difference in to hit numbers barring a GM fiat in allowing the RAW/RAI on the two-handed weapon in one hand to qualify for Furious Focus. I did forget to mention the Higher Ground part, good catch there.

So my math for the two-handed lance in two hands is correct. And the only difference is the extra 50% damage from Power Attack in one handing the lance while mounted and charging. (Which unfortunately would also fall under a GM Fiat, I did the math that it falls as a one handed weapon that way because mostly my GM's are douches who hate one shot's and abhor the power of an optimized summoner/eidolon combination.)

Well at least I now have a point of reference on my mounted combat character I plan on running shortly. I am thankful for your reply and the additional information on Mounted Lances and Power Attack/Furious Focus.

[AerynTahlro]

This FAQ says that you can politely inform your GM that their interpretation does not match the ruling of the devs. That gives you Furious Focus on the 50% damage increase.