low spellcasting stat questions


Rules Questions

Sczarni

I think I'm about to enter a party without anybody playing a support class so I was thinking about taking a 1 level dip into sorcerer.

1:Can I cast a spell from a wand if my charisma is below 11?

2:Can I go into dragon disciple if my charisma is below 11?
requirements: Spellcasting: Ability to cast 1st-level arcane spells without preparation. If the character has sorcerer levels, he must have the draconic bloodline. If the character gains levels of sorcerer after taking this class, he must take the draconic bloodline.

3: Is there an easy low level way to get use magic device up to about 16-20 to just use a wand?


magicalme1 wrote:

I think I'm about to enter a party without anybody playing a support class so I was thinking about taking a 1 level dip into sorcerer.

1:Can I cast a spell from a wand if my charisma is below 11?

2:Can I go into dragon disciple if my charisma is below 11?
requirements: Spellcasting: Ability to cast 1st-level arcane spells without preparation. If the character has sorcerer levels, he must have the draconic bloodline. If the character gains levels of sorcerer after taking this class, he must take the draconic bloodline.

3: Is there an easy low level way to get use magic device up to about 16-20 to just use a wand?

1: I think this is legal. While you can't cast spells, the wand only requires you to have the spell on your spell list, which you do.

2: I would not say so. If you don't have the ability score, you aren't able to cast 1-st level spells, so you to fulfill the requirements.

3: With a low charisma it becomes difficult. With an item that grants +5, and skill focus, I could see you hit around +13 at lvl 1. With another feat you might actually get +16 at lvl 2.


magicalme1 wrote:

I think I'm about to enter a party without anybody playing a support class so I was thinking about taking a 1 level dip into sorcerer.

1:Can I cast a spell from a wand if my charisma is below 11?

Using a wand is considered as casting the spell from that wand, therefore you would need to have your Charisma at the appropriate number to cast the spell. Having below an 11 Charisma will not allow you to cast anything 1st level or above.

magicalme1 wrote:

2:Can I go into dragon disciple if my charisma is below 11?

requirements: Spellcasting: Ability to cast 1st-level arcane spells without preparation. If the character has sorcerer levels, he must have the draconic bloodline. If the character gains levels of sorcerer after taking this class, he must take the draconic bloodline.

Once again, even though you took a 1st level Sorcerer (and I am assuming chose Draconic as your bloodline), since part of the requirement is you need the ability to cast 1st level spells, I would rule you could not take the prestige class due to your Charisma not being high enough. Yes, you could put on a magic item to boost your Charisma, but if your item is dispelled, lost or destroyed, you then lose access to your prestige class. The best thing to do would just permanently bump up your Charisma to 11 if you really want that prestige class.

magicalme1 wrote:
3: Is there an easy low level way to get use magic device up to about 16-20 to just use a wand?

There is no easy 'low level' way in using the skill Use Magic Device. It is very skill point intensive and can take a lot to use the most basic abilities. However, if you are a 1st level Sorcerer (as indicated in your above example), you wouldn't need it to use a wand. But assuming you have the below 11 Charisma due to your earlier questions, you would need to emulate the ability score to cast from the wand.

SRD wrote:
Emulate an Ability Score: To cast a spell from a scroll, you need a high score in the appropriate ability (Intelligence for wizard spells, Wisdom for divine spells, or Charisma for sorcerer or bard spells). Your effective ability score (appropriate to the class you're emulating when you try to cast the spell from the scroll) is your Use Magic Device check result minus 15. If you already have a high enough score in the appropriate ability, you don't need to make this check.

So if you wanted to cast a 1st level spell from the wand, you would need to roll at least a 26 (11+15) to emulate the ability score.

Edit: Not sure why Emulate an ability score refers only to scrolls. I don't see why you couldn't use it for wands, as well. But that would be your GMs call.

2nd Edit: Hmm, now I wonder if wands are require the same as casting a spell, or are considered as such.

Under wands in the Core Rulebook and SRD, the rules state that 'when casting a spell from a wand', and my GM has always treated it the same as casting a spell.

However, considering that you can use a wand without provoking an AoO and can use it while being grappled, I wonder if it is the same (as casting a spell) and if it actually does fall under the required ability stat.


HaraldKlak wrote:
magicalme1 wrote:

I think I'm about to enter a party without anybody playing a support class so I was thinking about taking a 1 level dip into sorcerer.

1:Can I cast a spell from a wand if my charisma is below 11?

2:Can I go into dragon disciple if my charisma is below 11?
requirements: Spellcasting: Ability to cast 1st-level arcane spells without preparation. If the character has sorcerer levels, he must have the draconic bloodline. If the character gains levels of sorcerer after taking this class, he must take the draconic bloodline.

3: Is there an easy low level way to get use magic device up to about 16-20 to just use a wand?

1: I think this is legal. While you can't cast spells, the wand only requires you to have the spell on your spell list, which you do.

2: I would not say so. If you don't have the ability score, you aren't able to cast 1-st level spells, so you to fulfill the requirements.

3: With a low charisma it becomes difficult. With an item that grants +5, and skill focus, I could see you hit around +13 at lvl 1. With another feat you might actually get +16 at lvl 2.

This completely matches my interpretation of the rules -- if a L2 ranger can use a wand of Longstrider, despite not having a caster level at all - and there's no discussion of needing a high enough casting attribute in the spell trigger section (contrast with Spell Completion), you should be able to use wands.

However, without an 11 charisma, you don't have the ability to cast level 1 spells, so you don't qualify for DD. Headband of Alluring to the rescue -- after wearing it 24 hours, it attunes to you and the increase is counted as "permanent" (not in the "even when you're not wearing" it way, but in the "you qualify for stuff" way).


Tilnar wrote:
However, without an 11 charisma, you don't have the ability to cast level 1 spells, so you don't qualify for DD. Headband of Alluring to the rescue -- after wearing it 24 hours, it attunes to you and the increase is counted as "permanent" (not in the "even when you're not wearing" it way, but in the "you qualify for stuff" way).

That begs the question what happens when you wear it, multiclass and then take it off again?

Does the PrC suddenly become dormant till your stats rise again?


Tilnar wrote:
HaraldKlak wrote:
magicalme1 wrote:

I think I'm about to enter a party without anybody playing a support class so I was thinking about taking a 1 level dip into sorcerer.

1:Can I cast a spell from a wand if my charisma is below 11?

2:Can I go into dragon disciple if my charisma is below 11?
requirements: Spellcasting: Ability to cast 1st-level arcane spells without preparation. If the character has sorcerer levels, he must have the draconic bloodline. If the character gains levels of sorcerer after taking this class, he must take the draconic bloodline.

3: Is there an easy low level way to get use magic device up to about 16-20 to just use a wand?

1: I think this is legal. While you can't cast spells, the wand only requires you to have the spell on your spell list, which you do.

2: I would not say so. If you don't have the ability score, you aren't able to cast 1-st level spells, so you to fulfill the requirements.

3: With a low charisma it becomes difficult. With an item that grants +5, and skill focus, I could see you hit around +13 at lvl 1. With another feat you might actually get +16 at lvl 2.

This completely matches my interpretation of the rules -- if a L2 ranger can use a wand of Longstrider, despite not having a caster level at all - and there's no discussion of needing a high enough casting attribute in the spell trigger section (contrast with Spell Completion), you should be able to use wands.

However, without an 11 charisma, you don't have the ability to cast level 1 spells, so you don't qualify for DD. Headband of Alluring to the rescue -- after wearing it 24 hours, it attunes to you and the increase is counted as "permanent" (not in the "even when you're not wearing" it way, but in the "you qualify for stuff" way).

This is my interpretation also.


magicalme1 wrote:

I think I'm about to enter a party without anybody playing a support class so I was thinking about taking a 1 level dip into sorcerer.

1:Can I cast a spell from a wand if my charisma is below 11?

Yes, it just has to be on your class list.

2:Can I go into dragon disciple if my charisma is below 11?
requirements: Spellcasting: Ability to cast 1st-level arcane spells without preparation. If the character has sorcerer levels, he must have the draconic bloodline. If the character gains levels of sorcerer after taking this class, he must take the draconic bloodline.

I would say no. You do not have an ability to cast first level spells if you can't cast first level spells.. which you can't do with a cha of 10.

Using a cha boosting item to wing it would be dangerous, because you'd loose everything in your class except hit points saves, skills, and base attack bonus if you lost the item.

Grand Lodge

Allia Thren wrote:
Tilnar wrote:
However, without an 11 charisma, you don't have the ability to cast level 1 spells, so you don't qualify for DD. Headband of Alluring to the rescue -- after wearing it 24 hours, it attunes to you and the increase is counted as "permanent" (not in the "even when you're not wearing" it way, but in the "you qualify for stuff" way).

That begs the question what happens when you wear it, multiclass and then take it off again?

Does the PrC suddenly become dormant till your stats rise again?

You lose all access to class features save for hit dice, saving throws, and bab.


James Jaobs

Wondering if an Assassin who is no longer evil can:

1) Keep progressing as an Assassin: No
2) Keep all their abilities : Yes, but if you use them too much in the wrong way, you'll go back to being evil.

So if you loose a pre-req for a class you do not loose everything. I believe James has another post, still tring to find it now.


Got it James Jacobs
The requirements to become an assassin are not the same as the requirements to remain an assassin. Once you qualify for a prestige class, you can keep taking levels in it even if through some weird effect you lose some of those qualifications. Losing things like that is rare and unusual, so it's a case-by-case scenario, really, that the GM would have to adjudicate as they came up, actually.

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