Sash of the War Champion and Fighter Archetypes

[AdAstraGames]

Quote:

This bright red strip of cloth, stitched with images of a cheering crowd throwing garlands toward a chariot, fits across the wearer's shoulders and then diagonally down his chest to reach his opposite hip. The wearer treats his fighter level as 4 higher than normal for the purpose of the armor training and bravery class features.

1) If I have no levels in fighter, does this effectively give me access to Bravery 2 and Armor Training 1? Or do I need a level in Fighter to get the benefit, and thus it does nothing...

2) If I'm a fighter that has taken an archetype that gives up armor training and bravery (which is most of them), what does this sash do for me?

2A) Nothing.
2B) Add 4 to my '0 level' fighter ability, effectively giving me Bravery +2 and Armor Training 1?
2C) Add 4 to my level in whatever abilities replaced Bravery and Armor Training?

As this is for PFS play, this needs a somewhat more definitive answer than "Ask your GM..."

[Mojorat]

generally speaking, if you loose a class feature you no longer have it.

so I'n regards to fighters if an archetype gives up the armor training then the item has nothing go modify. ot Aldo does nothing for non fighters.

[James Risner]

Here is how I'd rule in the PFS games I run at major Conventions:

1) Does nothing
2) Does nothing

[Godwyn]

Might want to try in the PFS forums for a more PFS oriented answer. I would rule it as counting as a level 4 fighter. 0 + 4 = 4, not 0.

I think it also logically follows from a Monk's Robe. Although I acknowledge that a Monk's Robe specifically calls out that it works for a non-monk.

[Morris Chan]

which book is the Sash of the War champion in?

[Josh M Foster]

Sash of the War Champion is from the APG.

You cannot improve a feature you do not have. It'd be like wearing Silver Smiting Bracelets and saying your rogue has Smite Evil.

If you've given up a feature, you don't have it.

Thus, in both instances, the sash does nothing.

Also, if your archetype gives up weapon training, even if the ability works similarly, Gloves of Dueling have nothing to improve, so they also don't work, at least for giving you Weapon Training +2