Regardless of how they are acquired (whether by wish, tome/manual, or other means), should inherent stat bonuses be counted towards the WBL of a PC? Considering manuals that grant +1 stat bonuses have a value of 27.5k it seems like they should, but since there's no item associated with the bonus maybe it doesn't?
If you spent 25k gold to buy a wish to grant yourself a +1 inherent bonus to, say Wisdom, should that 25k be counted against your WBL as if you owned a tome? If not, then how do you handle creating high-level PC's that should have had access to inherent bonuses over the course of their careers suddenly having to use WBL to buy them when characters that played from 1 to x do not have to allocate WBL for them?
I'm genuinely curious. Thanks!
If you don't count them wouldn't everyone just say they had used six wishes to increase all their ability scores by +1?
[H]ow do you handle creating high-level PC's that should have had access to inherent bonuses over the course of their careers suddenly having to use WBL to buy them when characters that played from 1 to x do not have to allocate WBL for them?
You should be including the value of inherent stat bonuses in wealth-by-level calculations for organic PCs as well. Wealth-by-level is a crude guideline for balancing, its hard to say that each +1 is really worth 25,000gp. A +2 stat item is generally just as good and costs less, but a character with one is still stronger than one without.
I would say it costs the 25,000gp and if the player wants to spend it fine. If you are feeling generous tell all the players they get a +1 inherent bonus to one or two stats. I don't see inherent bonuses all that often in the games I play.
When they come up we simply value them at the price of the tome of the appropriate type and bonus.
When they come up we simply value them at the price of the tome of the appropriate type and bonus.
Same here.
Regardless of how they are acquired (whether by wish, tome/manual, or other means), should inherent stat bonuses be counted towards the WBL of a PC? Considering manuals that grant +1 stat bonuses have a value of 27.5k it seems like they should, but since there's no item associated with the bonus maybe it doesn't?
If you spent 25k gold to buy a wish to grant yourself a +1 inherent bonus to, say Wisdom, should that 25k be counted against your WBL as if you owned a tome? If not, then how do you handle creating high-level PC's that should have had access to inherent bonuses over the course of their careers suddenly having to use WBL to buy them when characters that played from 1 to x do not have to allocate WBL for them?
I'm genuinely curious. Thanks!
Wish: yes. Tomb yes. You reached 4th/8th/12th level no.
Wish: yes. Tomb yes. You reached 4th/8th/12th level no.Regardless of how they are acquired (whether by wish, tome/manual, or other means), should inherent stat bonuses be counted towards the WBL of a PC? Considering manuals that grant +1 stat bonuses have a value of 27.5k it seems like they should, but since there's no item associated with the bonus maybe it doesn't?
If you spent 25k gold to buy a wish to grant yourself a +1 inherent bonus to, say Wisdom, should that 25k be counted against your WBL as if you owned a tome? If not, then how do you handle creating high-level PC's that should have had access to inherent bonuses over the course of their careers suddenly having to use WBL to buy them when characters that played from 1 to x do not have to allocate WBL for them?
I'm genuinely curious. Thanks!
Those aren't inherit bonuses anyways, which is what was being asked about. If they were, than they wouldn't stack with wishes and tomes (making wishes and tomes fairly useless).
Those aren't inherit bonuses anyways, which is what was being asked about. If they were, than they wouldn't stack with wishes and tomes (making wishes and tomes fairly useless).
Correct. Thanks, all, for the responses. I am satisfied I'm on the right path with keeping track of inherent bonuses for my PC's then (I'm the DM) and allocating them as part of their WBL. Thanks!
Regardless of how they are acquired (whether by wish, tome/manual, or other means), should inherent stat bonuses be counted towards the WBL of a PC?
Absolutely. Either they got them from wishes with expensive casting components or from books with similar costs, even as treasure, that is part of their level up 'Wealth' or their WBL if being made at a higher level. Either way it counts.
And as noted before, level up points are not inherent bonuses. They are untyped and free.
I agree with what everyone said and i have to add that an inherent bonus from a class ability (abbysal sorc) shouldn't count against WBL.