Flying in heavy armor: can it be done?


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Pegasus would be a good one to use or any race or monster that has a flying speed and has the Training in heavy armor; dont care who or what.

can you fly in heavy armor?

i know in 3.5 you cant (you can with a feat) idk if that the some in pathfinder. But there no feats for it thats why im asking.


Yes, you can fly in heavy armor. But you take armor check penalties on any Fly checks you need to make.


Jeraa wrote:
Yes, you can fly in heavy armor. But you take armor check penalties on any Fly checks you need to make.

But a mount won't be able to fly at all in anything but light armor or carrying a light load. This rule was kept by Pathfinder in regards to mounts.

Pg. 162 "Flying mounts can’t fly in medium or heavy barding."

Pg. 169 "A medium or heavy load counts as medium or heavy armor for the purpose of abilities or skills that are restricted by armor."

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/equipment.html
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/additionalRules.html

D&D 3.5 also had this restriction on flight; "A creature with a fly speed can move through the air at the indicated speed if carrying no more than a light load", but Pathfinder dropped that so only those flying by mounts are inconvenienced by this issue.
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#fly


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Pg. 162 "Flying mounts can’t fly in medium or heavy barding."

I stand (At least partly) corrected. I was looking at flying in general. The only thing that I can find in the books then that even mention flying in heavy armor is the Mounts section. But nothing else says anything about non-mounts flying in heavy armor. And in fact, look at the solar in the Bestiary. Wears full plate, and can fly.

So it seems that you can fly in heavy armor, but not if you are a flying mount.


Does this mean that if you slap a saddle on something in medium armour it can't fly? Or only if your riding it?


Jeraa wrote:
Yes, you can fly in heavy armor. But you take armor check penalties on any Fly checks you need to make.

thank you

Frankthedm wrote:

But a mount won't be able to fly at all in anything but light armor or carrying a light load. This rule was kept by Pathfinder in regards to mounts.

Pg. 162 "Flying mounts can’t fly in medium or heavy barding."

Pg. 169 "A medium or heavy load counts as medium or heavy armor for the purpose of abilities or skills that are restricted by armor."

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/equipment.html
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/additionalRules.html

D&D 3.5 also had this restriction on flight; "A creature with a fly speed can move through the air at the indicated speed if carrying no more than a light load", but Pathfinder dropped that so only those flying by mounts are inconvenienced by this issue.
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#fly

ok both of you get good points but

how about a TAURIC (Centaur with wings)
do i use any armor and fly rule, or do i use the mount rules (no medium or heavy armor)? or is this my call?


Quantum Steve wrote:
Does this mean that if you slap a saddle on something in medium armour it can't fly? Or only if your riding it?

Having a mount gives you several advantages, including sharing space without penalty, sharing the benefits of the mount's move speed and charge action, and allowing you to make Ride checks.

By restricting mounts to only a light load, a creature under more than a light load cannot act as a mount while flying. That doesn't mean the creature can't fly, but it does mean you loose all the benefits of it being a mount when it takes to the air -- and that it can't take to the air if you're using it as a mount.


Quantum Steve wrote:
Does this mean that if you slap a saddle on something in medium armour it can't fly? Or only if your riding it?

This is probably the funniest thing I've seen in a while. :-)


chaoskin wrote:
Jeraa wrote:
Yes, you can fly in heavy armor. But you take armor check penalties on any Fly checks you need to make.

thank you

Frankthedm wrote:

But a mount won't be able to fly at all in anything but light armor or carrying a light load. This rule was kept by Pathfinder in regards to mounts.

Pg. 162 "Flying mounts can’t fly in medium or heavy barding."

Pg. 169 "A medium or heavy load counts as medium or heavy armor for the purpose of abilities or skills that are restricted by armor."

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/equipment.html
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/additionalRules.html

D&D 3.5 also had this restriction on flight; "A creature with a fly speed can move through the air at the indicated speed if carrying no more than a light load", but Pathfinder dropped that so only those flying by mounts are inconvenienced by this issue.
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#fly

ok both of you get good points but

how about a TAURIC (Centaur with wings)
do i use any armor and fly rule, or do i use the mount rules (no medium or heavy armor)? or is this my call?

is this my ruleing for this? im asking for input


how about a TAURIC (like Centaur with wings)

ture fully i dont see how the lower half is horse, cat, dragon ect and the top half if humanoid (dont care what)can fly with heavy armor. all the pictures ive seen the wings are on the lower half. so would that be the mount rules i have to use?


chaoskin wrote:

how about a TAURIC (like Centaur with wings)

ture fully i dont see how the lower half is horse, cat, dragon ect and the top half if humanoid (dont care what)can fly with heavy armor. all the pictures ive seen the wings are on the lower half. so would that be the mount rules i have to use?

I'd say you only use the mount rules when he's busy being a mount.

If a Pegasus wants to wear heavy armor, but not be a mount, then he's cool. If he wants to act as a mount however, he has to go down to light armor & make sure that his rider is under his light load (including all that adventuring gear the fool is probably carrying around).


Wow, those are some stupid rules...

In my game, it would only be creatures that rely on actually flying by flapping their wings that would be affected by wearing medium or heavier armor. The 'Light Load' on the creature, i would probably enforce. As for creatures who fly using spells, or just as an innate ability, they can wear what they please...

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