Summoner's Slow and Haste

[Moonglade]

Did anyone notice those are level 2 spells for him?
Why's that? I'm just wondering. I always thought those are extremely
powerfull spells.
Shouldn't they be level 3? Is there some sort of errata or something?
Is the summoner getting them because he misses out a lot? Can someone please explain?

thanks ^^

[Lonwyr]

Moonglade wrote:

Did anyone notice those are level 2 spells for him?

Why's that? I'm just wondering. I always thought those are extremely
powerfull spells.
Shouldn't they be level 3? Is there some sort of errata or something?
Is the summoner getting them because he misses out a lot? Can someone please explain?

thanks ^^

A summoner get access to new spell-levels slower than other caster. He gets the first 2nd level spell on the 4th level. I guess making hast/slow a summoner3rd means he gets the spell "to late" compared to other spellcaster (3rd are available on the 7th summoner level).

I have fond no other solution. ;)

[HaraldKlak]

As Lonwyr said.

Half-casters sometimes get spells a bit earlier (the bard and hideous laughter comes to mind).
While they are great spells, especially when emplyoing extra critters to do the work, granting them to the summoner one level earlier than wizards won't be game breaking.

[james maissen]

Moonglade wrote:

Did anyone notice those are level 2 spells for him?

Why's that?

As others have said it's the fault of the bard-modeled casting.

Take a look at bards and you will see very similar things there.

It causes a few problems but they are systematic rather than with the summoner.

Now the summoner has it's issues but that's mostly because they balanced it by fiat rather than by craft.

-James