
Zuloph |

Ok so I am thinking of building a monk of the elemental fist but I have a couple questions about how the feat works.
I just read it and it doesn't say what action it takes to use it. Does this mean I can declare I am using it then do flurry of blows and get it off each hit?
My other question is if I can use it and make flurry of blows to get it off of every attack would it use up say...four uses if the monk had four attacks on his flurry or just one?

Drejk |

The only thing revelant to your question seems to be:
You must declare that you are using this feat before you make your attack roll (thus a failed attack roll ruins the attempt). You may attempt an elemental fist attack once per day for every four levels you have attained (see Special), and no more than once per round.
You declare using Elemental Fist for specific attack and can use it only once per round so no, no burning flurry.
Personaly I would house-rule otherwise, by the way.A bit off-topic about the feat: reading the description of the feat once more I notice that there is no rule that would prevent it from working on weapon or ranged attacks, even possibly spells with ranged attack could be ugmented this way - only the name suggest unarmed attacks.

Bobson |

The only thing revelant to your question seems to be:
Quote:You must declare that you are using this feat before you make your attack roll (thus a failed attack roll ruins the attempt). You may attempt an elemental fist attack once per day for every four levels you have attained (see Special), and no more than once per round.You declare using Elemental Fist for specific attack and can use it only once per round so no, no burning flurry.
Personaly I would house-rule otherwise, by the way.A bit off-topic about the feat: reading the description of the feat once more I notice that there is no rule that would prevent it from working on weapon or ranged attacks, even possibly spells with ranged attack could be ugmented this way - only the name suggest unarmed attacks.
Y'know, I never noticed that. All the other similar feats Monks can get at first level (Stunning Fist, Punishing Kick, Perfect Strike, and Touch of Serenity) all have that once-per-round restriction, and I never saw it. Ouch. Thanks for pointing that out.

Kaiyanwang |

nevertheless, if you have more than one of them, in can use them for different attacks in the same full attack flurry action.
It's a lot of good and bad rolls, but think about the awesome of the monk encircled by enemies, and suddenly one is stunned, another is stuck in a calm, harmless expression, another one is tripped with a Kama in a flawless movement, another is sent on a spiky wall with a kick, and the latter takes a big punch in his face.
You must be very high level to do this,'tough.

Sardaukar |

reading the description of the feat once more I notice that there is no rule that would prevent it from working on weapon or ranged attacks, even possibly spells with ranged attack could be ugmented this way - only the name suggest unarmed attacks.
Given that the prerequisites include the Improved Unarmed Strike feat, it would also imply that this can only used with an unarmed attack.
I'm currently playing a 2nd level Monk of the Four Winds and have been doing an elemental fist attack along with my flurry ability, only once per flurry. Never considered that it couldn't be used together. I guess the question is, can a "strike" be part of a full-round action?

Drejk |

I was imprecise with my wording - by "so no, no burning flurry" I meant that you can't make multiple burning attacks in a round. There is nothing in the feat that prevents using it to augment one and only one of the attacks while using flurry.
Given that the prerequisites include the Improved Unarmed Strike feat, it would also imply that this can only used with an unarmed attack.
Prerequisites are hardly description of the feat workings. Using Improved Feint does not require you to use Combat Expertise at the same time, Improved Sundering is independent of using Power Attack. Similar examples of feats that can be used without their prerequisite feats being used at the same time is longer.
And to be honest I like the idea od being able to ignite your weapons through your own ability instead of magical quality of the weapon. It should be made into supernatural ability, however.

hogarth |

A bit off-topic about the feat: reading the description of the feat once more I notice that there is no rule that would prevent it from working on weapon or ranged attacks, even possibly spells with ranged attack could be ugmented this way - only the name suggest unarmed attacks.
The brief description in the table is pretty specific: "Deal 1d6 energy damage with an unarmed strike"
(For the opposing viewpoint: "FLAVOUR TEXT! TEXT TRUMPS TABLE!")

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I'm not trying to confuse things here but I'm not 100% sure you can use Elemental Fist or Stunning fist as part of Flurry of blows. Each of those implies that you make an unarmed strike. An unarmed strike is a standard action. FoB is a full round action. I understand that FoB is a number of unarmed strikes and would rule that it could apply to any of the attacks in a FoB situation. But I would also rule that monks with both elemental fist and stunning fist could use one or the other in a FoB.
There is way to use both in a round but not really with FoB. A Monk of the 4 Winds that has both could use his or her Slow Time ability to get 3 extra actions, and he could then make 1 elemental fist attack and 1 stunning fist attack.
As for the elemental fist trasfering to weapons, even monk weapons would be why? Base damage for weapons does not go up like a monks unarmed combat damage does.

Rathyr |
Drejk wrote:A bit off-topic about the feat: reading the description of the feat once more I notice that there is no rule that would prevent it from working on weapon or ranged attacks, even possibly spells with ranged attack could be ugmented this way - only the name suggest unarmed attacks.The brief description in the table is pretty specific: "Deal 1d6 energy damage with an unarmed strike"
(For the opposing viewpoint: "FLAVOUR TEXT! TEXT TRUMPS TABLE!")
Awesome, Perfect Strike is finally useful for Monks that aren't a Zen Archer! =p
/rejoice!
/sarcasm
Anyways, you can use elemental fist with a weapon.