Catwoman (Selina Kyle) first appears in Batman #1 (Spring 1940) in which she is known as The Cat. She is a sometimes-adversary of Batman, known for having a complex love-hate (often romantic) relationship with him. In her first appearance, she was a whip-carrying burglar with a taste for high-stake thefts.
Here abilities are: Excellent athlete, Extremely skilled hand-to-hand combatant, Expert burglar, Possesses costumes with steel spring-loaded climbing pitons and razor-sharp retractable claws, Wields an assortment of bullwhips and cat o' nine tails as gymnastic equipment, and she has an empathic relationship ability with all types of cats.
The Black Cat(Felicia Hardy) is a fictional character, a superheroine in comic books published by Marvel Comics. Created by writer Marv Wolfman and artist Keith Pollard, she first appeared in The Amazing Spider-Man #194. Felicia Hardy is the daughter of a world-renowned cat burglar. After suffering a traumatic event as a college freshman, she trained herself in various fighting styles and acrobatics. Later, after deciding to follow in her father's footsteps, she adopted her costumed identity as the Black Cat.
Her abilities are: Probability manipulation, grapnel hidden in sleeves,
Expert martial artist with excellent gymnastic abilities, Expert burglar, superhuman sense of smell and night vision, and insanely hot.
The fight between them would start out with Catwoman taking offense and trying to take her out as quickly as possible. However, she can never get a hold of the Black Cat. Unlucky things happen to Catwoman. Her razor-sharp claws break; her bullwhips snap in two; her cat o' nine tails wrap around her instead. It starts to make Catwoman very frustrated.
The Black Cat just laughs, and decides to just provoke Catwoman as much as possible. Catwoman chases the Black Cat all over the roof tops of The City, but in the end Selina slips on a misplaced brick, and she falls down to the alley below. She hits the pavement hard, breaks an arm and leg, but she does not die. However, she is defeated by the Black Cat.
I rather watch them do something else instead of fighting....;)
Yea due to the probability manipulation I would give it to the Black Cat as well.
Hmmm. I don't know on this one. Black Cats probability manipulation has gone hot and cold depending on the writer, while catwomans martial arts ability has remained a constant. I just don't know who I would give a knock down drag out fight to-bc would be relying heavily on her probability manipulation powers because as acrobatic as is, catwoman is an old school ass kicker.
Rargh! I'm a Marvel zombie! Rargh! Black Cat would totally beat Green Lantern because of her luck powers!
Have to give it to Cat Woman, she held her own against Deathstroke. She has held her own against BATMAN. Probability powers of Black cat are fickle at best. Cat Woman's punch is not.
Didn't Black Cat get super human strength and agility? Or did she loose that?
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Didn't Black Cat get super human strength and agility? Or did she loose that?
I know in the cartoon she got super soldier serum plus.
I think she had more cat like abilities in the brief time she didn't have anti-luck.
Edit: Felica's 'powers' went from skill --> Bad luck (from Kingpin IIRC) --> Cat powers --> Bad luck again.
I clearly detailed how the fight would go. The Black Cat would avoid Catwoman, and she would let defeat herself using her bad luck powers.
I clearly detailed how the fight would go. The Black Cat would avoid Catwoman, and she would let defeat herself using her bad luck powers.I missed it. Your opinion matters more, why?
Because Herp and then Deerp and then marvel wins. Thats why.
I rather watch them do something else instead of fighting....;)
+infinity. YES.
But (not at all) seriously, Catwoman wins because Black Cat has crushed on Spiderman for forever and never got futher than a couple kisses, while Catwoman did get to fu.. ahem, I mean, 'roll in the hay' with the Bat. She wins.
I never got why some people seem to think Batman is a chaste hero. Catwoman, Talia, probably Wonder Woman, and he probably has to do SOMETHING with all of the supermodels and actresses and other women to keep the disquise as a PLAYBOY.
.. and insanely hot.
Your bias is revealed. ;)
The Black Cat just laughs, and decides to just provoke Catwoman as much as possible. Catwoman chases the Black Cat all over the roof tops of The City, but in the end Selina slips on a misplaced brick, and she falls down to the alley below. She hits the pavement hard, breaks an arm and leg, but...
Catwoman is too smart to fall for that kind of "I'll chase you because I'm angry" nonsense. She is a veteran fighter, extremely good at reading people, and isn't the kind of person to go chasing after a fight.
I don't know Black Cat well enough to understand how her powers work, but IF Black Cat was capable of beating Catwoman in a fight--and I am well aware she may be able to--it would not be in that particular way.
Besides up until the last month or so Selina would have had Harley along for backup and you can't manipulate the walking embodiment of Chaos Theory with your probability powers.
It really depends on why they were fighting and what universe they were in. The home team advantage would carry the day.
If they were on neutral ground, the motivation would determine the winner. They are both anti-heros so the one more “in the right” would typically win.
If they were after the same Diamond or otherwise both on the wrong side of the law we would get an interesting fight. I don’t think Catwoman would fall to Black Cats luck powers. They would hinder her but few of her gimmicks are vulnerable to bad luck. I think it would end up in a two part battle. First with Black Cat winning due to her luck powers and second either a tie or with Catwoman winning after learning from the first fight and adapting.
Marvel tends to be a higher power universe where DC is more high character.
Marvel tends to be a higher power universe where DC is more high character.
Really? I have always thought the opposite. Though I have not read comics in a long time so maybe it changed. But to me DC was always about absurdly broken cardboard characters.
How did you come to this conclusion?
Marvel tends to be a higher power universe where DC is more high character.
Really? I have always thought the opposite. Though I have not read comics in a long time so maybe it changed. But to me DC was always about absurdly broken cardboard characters.
How did you come to this conclusion?
I am not HermitIX, but I'll give you my answer because I think I might know at least in part where he or she is coming from:
DC to me seems to operate in two tiers -- one I'll call "Gothamesque" and one I'll call "Justice Leagueesque." In the former, things are pretty gritty and low powered, with characters relying on their wits, skill, and technology to face impossible odds. It is of course called Gothamesque because Batman started the trend and most "Gothamesque" characters are part of the extended Bat-family, including Catwoman. They aren't ALL "Gothamesque" though--I'd say "Secret Six" is a "Gothamesque" book even though there's only one Bat-family character present (Bane)---in that most (but notably not all) of the characters are low on the scale of metahuman ability and there's a lot of reliance on wits for the characters' survival. Where there are metahuman abilities, they tend to be either powerful but circumstantially limited (Jeannette the Banshee's powers are nasty, but she loses her mind when she activates them so she doesn't pull them out very often); or subtle enhancements (Scandal Savage's improved physical ability). "Gothamesque" stories also tend to deal with localized problems and villains--fighting organized crime or a specific powerful villain doing a specific thing.
The "Justice Leagueesque" tier involve characters that are more like demigods--just operating on a high, sometimes cosmic power scale. Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern to name the most well known examples. These characters are insanely powerful, and tend to take on "save the world" kind of stories on a regular basis.
Now to be fair, these "two worlds" do collide and often frequently (so we get Batman serving on the Justice League), but there still is the feel (from my point of view) that there are essentially two distinct settings that take place in the same universe.
Marvel on the other hand, operates to my perception (and I admit I read less Marvel so I'm not as familiar with it) where all the characters generally speaking operate in what would more or less be a middle ground between DC's two extremes. Nearly everyone seems to have a power, even if they are largely a skill based superhero, and Black Cat is in fact an excellent example of that. While there still is a continuum of power--some Marvel heroes have a very limited ability scaling all the way up to near godlike power like Magneto, the larger majority tend to operate in the middle. The godlikes and the gritty detectives do exist, but far more at the fringes.
If you are a DC Reader who focuses on reading DC's "Gothamesque" stories, Marvel by comparison will seem to be a higher power universe. If all you are familiar with in DC are the "Justice Leaguesque" stories, Marvel will seem grittier and lower powered.
Having read both Marvel and DC, all I can say is I personally prefer the character development I see in DC, regardless of power levels, but I tend to read fringe books like Birds of Prey and Secret Six where character drama is important. The only Marvel book I read currently is X-Men Legacy, which I plan to drop because I can't figure out what the hell is going on even though I've been reading the book since issue 1 because of all the damn crossovers, and it just feels like one cosmic explosion after another with a cast of superpowered "thousands" where no one ever gets much time to be developed. So based on MY subscription list, the DC Comics are gritty and character driven and the Marvel comic is high powered and all about saving the world with low character development. (I will note, to be fair, that X-Men Legacy started off character driven even though it was often high powered and had a discernible plot within itself, which is why I read it, but it's lost that.) I know full well based on another's preferences and what they might subscribe to, someone might have exactly the opposite impression of the two companies. In the end, I doubt they're much different, less so than most of us would like to think.
And with that derailing TL;DR, I'm off to bed.
@DeathQuaker: Interesting post. I have not read any comics in a long time so you maybe right. But the Black Cat I remembered did not actualy have any 'bad luck' powers. It was due to set up and careful planning.
Black Cat went to Kingpin after Spider-man repeatedly wouldn't let her partner with him, because she didn't have any powers. Kingpin gave her the bad luck powers, but anyone she had any long term contact would be hit by the bad luck.
Black Cat Powers:
Initially, the Black Cat had no superhuman abilities. She later gained the psionic ability to affect probability fields from a test induced by the Kingpin - essentially, she'd give "bad luck" to her enemies. The "bad luck" power entails that under stress she is subconsciously able to cause anyone in her immediate vicinity that she perceives as a threat to be susceptible to freak accidents, like guns jamming and exploding, or tripping on objects. This ability also had the side effect of eventually causing problems for anyone spending long periods of time around her.
Doctor Strange eventually tampered with her powers that briefly removed her bad luck abilities, along with the unwanted side-effect. However, this magical tampering temporarily endowed her with cat-like abilities, giving her retractable talons in her fingertips, superhuman speed and strength, agility, and endurance, proportionate to a cat. As of Brand New Day, she lost these abilities and soon regained her trademark bad luck powers and has better control of them than before.
The Black Cat has reflexes, agility, and stamina of an Olympic level acrobat. She is physically very strong and athletic and has great physical endurance. She is an excellent street fighter capable of taking on several armed assailants and incapacitating them without being injured herself. She is trained in several martial arts styles.
The Black Cat has also acquired several devices from the Tinkerer that increase her agility and heighten her strength. She wears earrings that interact with the balance centers of her brain to grant her enhanced agility. She has contact lenses that let her see in various ranges of the electromagnetic spectrum, such as infrared and ultraviolet. Her costume contains micro-servos that enhance her strength above normal human levels. The gloves of her costume contain steel micro-filaments, which form retractable claws at the fingertips when she flexes her fingers (triggering a magnetic surge which condenses the filaments into polarized talons) which enable her to tear through most surfaces and easily scale walls. In addition, the costume is extremely distracting and provocative (due to its skin-tight shape and plunging v-neck that exposes her cleavage), which can make it difficult for a male assailant to concentrate on what he is doing. Using this equipment, the Black Cat has been able to successfully beat enemies who have superhuman abilities.
The Black Cat has a miniature grappling hook device hidden in the "fur" of each glove, designed by her father Walter Hardy, which enables her to swing from buildings in a manner similar to Spider-Man, though not quite as fast. She can also use the cable from this device as a tightrope, wall scaling device, swing line, or as a weapon in combat.
Catwoman:
She has been taught stealth, athletics, hot-wiring, lock-picking, thieving, acrobatics and the martial arts. She was trained by the Armless Master in martial arts and by Wildcat in boxing and street-fighting. She excels at low- and high-tech heists and is the best cat-burglar in Gotham. Catwoman has a good affinity for cats. They often help automatically if she needs it and instantly know that she is a friend. Additionally, Selina was an effective seductress, a talent she employed to remove herself from treacherous situations.
Her current costume has a more high tech look, with domino-shaped infra-red goggles on her cowl. Many of her costumes have been shown to incorporate retractable metal claws on the fingertips of her gloves and toes of her boots. They can shred a bullet-proof vest and be used to climb with. Like all Batman villains, Catwoman has had many themed weapons and gadgets.In her early years cat-themed car called the "cat-illac". Catwoman's favoured weapon is a 12 foot long bullwhip carried on her person either in her boot or in a small backpack, she has a cat-o-nine-tails, elastic ties for binding hands and feet, and a roll of duct tape used to gag her targets.
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The Black Cat's powers fluctuate pretty randomly. Whether she has any or not, and the strength thereof usually seems based more on the author's preference than on any existing character history. That being said, even when she doesn't have any powers, she's been able to more or less keep up with Spidey and his foes (the one incident with Doc Ock excepted). So I'd put even a non-powered Felicia ahead of Catwoman.
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Question: Who would win if Catwoman grapped with the Black Cat?
Answer: All of us my friends, all of us.
Best cat fight ever.