US preacher warns end of the world is nigh: 21 May, around 6pm, to be precise
Recent events, such as earthquakes in Japan, New Zealand and Haiti, are harbingers of impending doom, he says, as are changing social values. "All the stealing, and the lying, and the wickedness and the sexual perversion that is going on in society is telling us something," he says. "So too is the gay pride movement. It was sent by God as a sign of the end."
Right, 'cause there have never been earthquakes, changing social values and gays before.
I wonder if Mr. Camping would be willing to bet me that $120m the world will end.
Critics point out that this isn't the first time Mr Camping has predicted the second coming.
Oopsies. Maybe he should call it a Theory of the Coming of the End.
Mr Camping's argument has convinced Adam Larsen, 32, from Kansas.
The human bounds of gullibility shock me every day.
Oh wait! Did he just say god sent us up the gays?! O.o
Well, we were sent a plague of poodles. ~shudders in revulsion~ Poodles! Why did it have to be poodles?
I've suppressed a potentially offensive post. Talking about a crazy apocalyptic preacher who picked my wedding day for the rapture is one thing. But let's steer clear of the abortion topic please. We don't need to rekindle the related flamewars again here. Thanks.
My bad.
I removed another post in the same vein as the one Mark removed earlier. Let it go, folks.
US preacher warns end of the world is nigh: 21 May, around 6pm, to be precise
Recent events, such as earthquakes in Japan, New Zealand and Haiti, are harbingers of impending doom, he says, as are changing social values. "All the stealing, and the lying, and the wickedness and the sexual perversion that is going on in society is telling us something," he says. "So too is the gay pride movement. It was sent by God as a sign of the end."
I propose that we treat Mr. Camping's proposal with all the respect and seriousness it deserves. Being people of generous spirit and kind disposition, wishing him only the best, we should see if he's right before May 21st, so that everyone had advance warning if in fact he is. The end of the world is not something to be trifled with, after all.
Therefore I propose we conduct an experiment. On April the 26th, people from all walks of life should gather in public places with many condoms in hand and engaged in gay sex for a period of not less than one hour, nonstop. You don't have to like it. You don't have to take every position. You don't have to agree to have gay sex with every person who approaches. But you should have gay sex continuously for the full hour from 6 PM to 7 PM, EDT. Ask friends and family to come along and help out. It's for science.
We will then consult with the seismographs and determine the effect. If the Sodomathon produces negligible results, I'm sure Mr. Camping will happily withdraw his conjecture and apologize for the mistaken alarm it might have caused. If, however, he's in the right then of course we will all have to prepare for the end come May 21st.
How about I do what I am doing right now, ignoring him?
I propose that we treat Mr. Camping's proposal with all the respect and seriousness it deserves.
Closing one's eyes doesn't make the bad men go away unless they weren't there in the first place.
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Closing one's eyes doesn't make the bad men go away unless they weren't there in the first place.How about I do what I am doing right now, ignoring him?
I propose that we treat Mr. Camping's proposal with all the respect and seriousness it deserves.
fair enough, not sure I would say he is bad per se. Misguided yes, wasting his time defiantly, bad, don't know him, do not care to.
YAAY. Taunting Christians......PROFIT!!!!!
fair enough, not sure I would say he is bad per se. Misguided yes, wasting his time defiantly, bad, don't know him, do not care to.
I think we've got enough data to call him bad. Blaming popularly disliked groups for natural calamities is generally the immediate precursor to violence against said groups.
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fair enough, not sure I would say he is bad per se. Misguided yes, wasting his time defiantly, bad, don't know him, do not care to.I think we've got enough data to call him bad. Blaming popularly disliked groups for natural calamities is generally the immediate precursor to violence against said groups.
I wont get into semantics with you Samnell. Suffice it to say, I feel you are stretching it. Fine you feel targeted and maybe you are from him. Does not mean everyone is.
I think we've got enough data to call him bad. Blaming popularly disliked groups for natural calamities is generally the immediate precursor to violence against said groups.
And yet he hasn't committed any violence. He has a right to say whatever (crackpot bullshit) he wants...I don't think that makes him bad.
I think we've got enough data to call him bad. Blaming popularly disliked groups for natural calamities is generally the immediate precursor to violence against said groups.And yet he hasn't committed any violence. He has a right to say whatever (crackpot b%!&+!@$) he wants...I don't think that makes him bad.
Who is disputing rights here?
To my knowledge, Fred Phelps has never murdered anybody either. Nobody, so far as I can recall, in all the time I've been on these boards has stepped up to defend his virtue or suggest he be given the benefit of a doubt. On the contrary, he's pretty much a stock example of an evil bastard even among the people who more or less agree with him.
Why is this guy, who is indistinguishable from Phelps in anything except a few technical trifles, getting off so easy? They certainly both agree that gays are bringing down the wrath of the Almighty. Same message, different speakers. He's far more influential than Phelps will ever be.
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I think we've got enough data to call him bad. Blaming popularly disliked groups for natural calamities is generally the immediate precursor to violence against said groups.And yet he hasn't committed any violence. He has a right to say whatever (crackpot b%!&+!@$) he wants...I don't think that makes him bad.Who is disputing rights here?
To my knowledge, Fred Phelps has never murdered anybody either. Nobody, so far as I can recall, in all the time I've been on these boards has stepped up to defend his virtue or suggest he be given the benefit of a doubt. On the contrary, he's pretty much a stock example of an evil bastard even among the people who more or less agree with him.
Why is this guy, who is indistinguishable from Phelps in anything except a few technical trifles, getting off so easy? They certainly both agree that gays are bringing down the wrath of the Almighty. Same message, different speakers. He's far more influential than Phelps will ever be.
I find it so funny when you get Holier than thou, it gives me the giggles.
Yeah, I was reading about this guy on CNN a week or two ago. Couple days later, I told my wife I was thinking of calling my credit card companies and telling them I'm "real sorry I won't be able to pay all the money back before... well, you know."
:( Locking thread - even in jest, this is not funny.yet, this one still exists?
Funny how legitimate grievances trump cheap trolling, eh? I wish it gave me the giggles.
Funny how legitimate grievances trump cheap trolling, eh? I wish it gave me the giggles.:( Locking thread - even in jest, this is not funny.yet, this one still exists?
Haw haw.
The truth sets me free, man.
I wont get into semantics with you Samnell. Suffice it to say, I feel you are stretching it. Fine you feel targeted and maybe you are from him. Does not mean everyone is.fair enough, not sure I would say he is bad per se. Misguided yes, wasting his time defiantly, bad, don't know him, do not care to.I think we've got enough data to call him bad. Blaming popularly disliked groups for natural calamities is generally the immediate precursor to violence against said groups.
Can think of a lot of wisdom to paraphrase here.
Like, "When they came for the Jews, I didn't speak up, etc.,"
and
"We all must now hang together, or surely we will hang separately."
or
"All that is required for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing."
and
No man is an island,
Entire of itself.
Each is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thine own
Or of thine friend's were.
Each man's death diminishes me,
For I am involved in mankind.
Therefore, send not to know
For whom the bell tolls,
It tolls for thee.
Everyone doesn't need to be the target of a person like this, for everyone to be his victim.
Godwin by 26! Huzzah!!!
"All that is required for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing."
Dude. So come to a gaming site and grief the Jesus Freaks for years on end? That's the "brave stand for truth and justice" we're talking about here.
Now claim the high ground.
lollololol!!!
Sure your persecuted by everyone. Keep telling yourself you are the victim, it may help you sleep at night.
Not Moff. Not CF. Not many people, religious or otherwise.
By you? You're a small part of the problem and you've shown how often enough. Great work sticking up for your team.
Here's a crazy thought, how about we ignore the weirdos, whackos, crazies, and a+!#!+~s out there and stop giving them publicity. That way when they say something that is crazy or awful we can ignore them and they'll eventually go away and we'll go on with our lives.
The preacher in question has a multi-million dollar media empire. We're not giving him an audience; he's already got it.
Here's a crazy thought, how about we ignore the weirdos, whackos, crazies, and a!%!#@#s out there and stop giving them publicity. That way when they say something that is crazy or awful we can ignore them and they'll eventually go away and we'll go on with our lives.
Naah; I want to do some research.
I want to start a new thread every two or three days about some atheist that did some stupid crap.
I love when the sound of laughter from the round drowns out the silent roar of the troll ignorers.
It must be hard being in awe and jealous of how funny I am.
It's like I wish I had the Situation's sixpack, but.....I'm actually funny, so that gives me comfort.
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Sure your persecuted by everyone. Keep telling yourself you are the victim, it may help you sleep at night.Not Moff. Not CF. Not many people, religious or otherwise.
By you? You're a small part of the problem and you've shown how often enough. Great work sticking up for your team.
really, did I stick up for the man. No I did not. I just do not know enough about him to say anything specific. So I did not. You however, came on like a ghoul to a fresh kill. In fact even Bugley said the moron had the right to free speech.
In fact even Bugley said the moron had the right to free speech.
A fact I do not, have not, and will not dispute. Bugley did not miss that point, but you did.
This is sticking up for him:
not sure I would say he is bad per se. Misguided yes, wasting his time defiantly, bad, don't know him, do not care to.
I've seen you make judgments about people you haven't met before often enough, myself included. That you suddenly need to have a heart to heart with this guy is absurd.
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In fact even Bugley said the moron had the right to free speech.A fact I do not, have not, and will not dispute. Bugley did not miss that point, but you did.
Really I seem to remember saying :
not sure I would say he is bad per se. Misguided yes, wasting his time defiantly, bad, don't know him, do not care to.
This is sticking up for him:
I've seen you make judgments about people you haven't met before often enough, myself included. That you suddenly need to have a heart to heart with this guy is absurd.
not sure I would say he is bad per se. Misguided yes, wasting his time defiantly, bad, don't know him, do not care to.
You have?? please point them out? I do not feel saying I do not want to know the man as meaning I want a Heart to heart with him. That's absurd, but believe what you want reality does not change just because you get up on your high horse about something. Again.
You have?? please point them out?
This is sticking up for him:
I've seen you make judgments about people you haven't met before often enough, myself included. That you suddenly need to have a heart to heart with this guy is absurd.
not sure I would say he is bad per se. Misguided yes, wasting his time defiantly, bad, don't know him, do not care to.
You call him an idiot (but apparently not a bad person, that must be too much) in the post right after this one. Thanks for making my point for me.
{sighs, swears to self} As others have stated, this Harold Camping has the right to express his beliefs (whether sincerely religious, trolling for attention, and/or drumming up contributions). As others have stated, his views do not represent all of Christiandom or organized religion. And I know enough of world history to realize that demagogues have been climbing onto their podiums (or pulpits) and blaming "declining morals" and "sin" for the coming apocalypse since before the first millennium.
Does his remarks constitute Hate Speech as defined under US law? I am not comfortable making that claim.
But...
While I don't blame this guys a**holish and hateful pronouncements on anyone but Harold Camping, I am very disappointed (again) by the lack of religious figures to call him on it. Whatever his motives, his means meet the definition of Evil. He is not merely an idiot. Ignoring him will not make him go away.
I am also disappointed by those who choose to once again dismiss the very real everyday threats that LGBTIQ people worldwide live under.
fair enough, not sure I would say he is bad per se. Misguided yes, wasting his time defiantly, bad, don't know him, do not care to.I think we've got enough data to call him bad. Blaming popularly disliked groups for natural calamities is generally the immediate precursor to violence against said groups.
Ok this guy is insane...and completely wrong about what the rapture is. But he is not 'blaming' gays for the end of the world or even natural disasters.
His statement is that the end of the world is preordained to happen on x day. That gays...and the natural disasters, etc are just signs from God that the end is nigh. So in a way he is saying God created the gays to be messengers(though I know he will probably fail to see the logic here as well he is insane).
Also I see a clear difference between him and Phelps. Phelps is a con artist who provokes p[eople to hit him so he can sue and win civil cases....he might 'believe'...that is irrevelant.
This guy I think actualy believes what he is saying...I don't know never actualy heard of him...he is small time after all( tess of thousand of followers is really a low number considering that is world wide). But he is not preaching actions against gays...he is not asking for donation to avert the end of the world...etc. Atleast not as reported by the article...which I am sure it would have been if true.
Not saying this guy is not dangerous...or right....but I think you are reading too much into this. I think he more deseves out sympathy and pity than our rage and hate.
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You call him an idiot (but apparently not a bad person, that must be too much) in the post right after this one. Thanks for making my point for me.
You have?? please point them out?
This is sticking up for him:
I've seen you make judgments about people you haven't met before often enough, myself included. That you suddenly need to have a heart to heart with this guy is absurd.
not sure I would say he is bad per se. Misguided yes, wasting his time defiantly, bad, don't know him, do not care to.
This is beter than Tennis.
Here's a short excerpt from the article; emphasis is mine:
'Recent events, such as earthquakes in Japan, New Zealand and Haiti, are harbingers of impending doom, he says, as are changing social values. "All the stealing, and the lying, and the wickedness and the sexual perversion that is going on in society is telling us something," he says. "So too is the gay pride movement. It was sent by God as a sign of the end."'
I have to wonder how would people take it, generally speaking, if this man declared something just a little different? Let's rework his statement:
"All the stealing, and the lying, and the wickedness and the interracial-marriage perversion that is going on in society is telling us something," he says. "So too is the women's rights movement. It was sent by God as a sign of the end."'
Surely, this speech is protected by the Constitution; but it's nonetheless morally wrong. I find it, in fact, criminal--not precisely what he says, as I am an ardent defender of Free Speech. Rather, I find that he is abusing his position of referent power over his followers by indirectly encouraging them to denigrate other people, and deliberately leading them to a consensus of hatred.
Here's a short excerpt from the article; emphasis is mine:'Recent events, such as earthquakes in Japan, New Zealand and Haiti, are harbingers of impending doom, he says, as are changing social values. "All the stealing, and the lying, and the wickedness and the sexual perversion that is going on in society is telling us something," he says. "So too is the gay pride movement. It was sent by God as a sign of the end."'
I have to wonder how would people take it, generally speaking, if this man declared something just a little different? Let's rework his statement:
"All the stealing, and the lying, and the wickedness and the interracial-marriage perversion that is going on in society is telling us something," he says. "So too is the women's rights movement. It was sent by God as a sign of the end."'
by that logic lets do this another way...
Statement: 'Ghandi was a great man and we should all follow his lessons.'
Now with your twisting...
Statement: 'Hitler was a great man and we should all follow his lessons.'
Oh my god the person who said the first statement must be racist....I don't get your 'logic' here.
I find it, in fact, criminal--not precisely what he says, as I am an ardent defender of Free Speech. Rather, I find that he is abusing his position of referent power over his followers by indirectly encouraging them to denigrate other people, and deliberately leading them to a consensus of hatred.
So do you find all political parties criminal and moraly wrong as they do the same?
Or what about sporets shows that 'denigrate' other teams fans?
etc.
Also...it is not 'criminal just because you said it is...that would require a law.
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That's great, it starts with an earthquake
Birds and snakes, an aeroplane
Lenny Bruce is not afraid
Eye of a hurricane, listen to yourself churn
World serves it's own needs, don't mis-serve your own needs
Feed it up a knock, speed, grunt, no strength
No ladder structure, clatter with fear of height, down height
Wire in a fire, representing seven games in a
Government for hire and a combat site left her
Wasn't coming in a hurry with the
Furies breathing down your neck
Team by team reporters baffled, trump, tethered, crop
Look at that low plane, fine, then
Uh, oh, overflow, population, common group
But it'll do, save yourself, serve yourself
World serves it's own needs listen to your heart bleed
Tell me with the rapture and the revered and the right
Right you vitriolic, patriotic, slam, fight, bright light
Feeling pretty psyched
It's the end of the world as we know it
It's the end of the world as we know it
It's the end of the world as we know it
And I feel fine
Six o'clock, TV hour, don't get caught in foreign towers
Slash and burn, return, listen to yourself churn
Lock him in uniform and book burning, blood letting
Every motive escalate, automotive incinerate
Light a candle, light a motive, step down, step down
Watch your heel crush, crush, uh, oh, this means
No fear, cavalier, renegade, steer clear
A tournament, a tournament, a tournament of lies
Offer me solutions, offer me alternatives and I decline
It's the end of the world as we know it
It's the end of the world as we know it
(It's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it
(It's time I had some time alone)
And I feel fine, I feel fine
It's the end of the world as we know it
(It's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it
(It's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine
(It's time I had some time alone)
The other night I tripped a nice continental drift divide
Mountains sit in a line, Leonard Bernstein
Leonid Brezhnev, Lenny Bruce and Lester Bangs
Birthday party, cheesecake, jelly bean, boom
You symbiotic, patriotic, slam, but neck, right? Right
It's the end of the world as we know it
(It's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it
(It's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it
(It's time I had some time alone)
And I feel fine
It's the end of the world as we know it
It's the end of the world as we know it
It's the end of the world as we know it
(It's time I had some time alone)
And I feel fine
It's the end of the world as we know it
(It's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it
(It's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it
(It's time I had some time alone)
And I feel fine
It's the end of the world as we know it
(It's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it
(It's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it
(It's time I had some time alone)
And I feel fine, fine
It's time I had some time alone
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by that logic lets do this another way...
Statement: 'Ghandi [sic] was a great man and we should all follow his lessons.'
Now with your twisting...
Statement: 'Hitler was a great man and we should all follow his lessons.'
Oh my god the person who said the first statement must be racist....I don't get your 'logic' here.
Gandhi, in fact, may not have been as great a man as many might think: he would have preferred India return to a dissociated tribal confederation of villages ruled by preindustrial superstition, effectively a shamanist-run non-nation. His efforts deliberately perturbed the Muslim population and actively negated power-sharing and encouraged expulsion. I'd even venture to argue we have him to thank for the very existence of Pakistan and the extremely serious nuclear brink into which the two countries may one day collapse. And let's not even bring up his pacifism: he was much prepared to make hypocritical use of violence when he thought it might suit him, or at least to deliberately allow others around him to slip into extremism and violent acts. No Jainist here.
Nonetheless, it's more than ridiculous of you to equate what I wrote, effectively replacing "sexual perversions" for "interracial-marriage perversions" and "gay rights" for "women's rights", to a spectacular absurdity such as replacing "Gandhi" for "Hitler"--there are naturally-occuring correlations inherent between women's rights and gay rights (both areas of civil rights), and sexual perversions and interracial marriage (both of which would once have been considered synonymous by people just like this religious leader only 50 years ago and during the height of the Civil Rights Movement) .
So do you find all political parties criminal and moraly wrong as they do the same?Or what about sporets [sic] shows that 'denigrate' other teams fans?
etc.
Also...it is not 'criminal just because you said it is...that would require a law.
I did, in fact, write that "I find" it criminal, meaning in my opinion I believe it's (humanistically, not legally) criminal to encourage hatred, even indirectly--and the Courts might be inclined to agree that hate-speech is criminal, if it leads to a criminal act or an act of violence. I freely admit, as far as I know, this has not occurred and he has made no explicit remarks to this end. My personal opinion stands, as it is my own (deliberately tautology, here).
As to a political party that encourages the same, absolutely I apply a sense of criminal abuse of referent, coercive and legitimate powers.
Sports shows that denigrate the fans of rival teams, such as, "The Packers ROCK!! Jets fans are laaaaaame!" That's good-natured entertainment (until it's Manchester United, then it's War!). If the show took another route: "The Packers ROCK!! Jets fans represent the fall of society; the world is ending because of them and their evil ways." Well, I think that's just ridiculous and would cause more confused awkward moments than anything else.
World ending, eh? Guess it's time to drink until I....
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