I have a summoner character concept that involves playing a young kid with an eidolon. Like 8 years old, with an overactive imagination.
Is there a Pathfinder-society-legal way to represent this? The Young template from the bestiary seems off, and would probably not be legal either.
Anyone in the know care to help me out with this one?
You could always play a halfling. Switch out some of the racial abilities with the ones in the APG and you should be able to pull off the concept.
Only time I played a kid Summoner I used the Young Template, but the APG wasn't out then!
Yeah, that's my backup plan. Halfling with the Child-like feat. But that still feels weird, and I think I probably ought to be able to pull this off. Plucky young boy is a totally valid fantasy trope!
You could always play a halfling. Switch out some of the racial abilities with the ones in the APG and you should be able to pull off the concept.
Only time I played a kid Summoner I used the Young Template, but the APG wasn't out then!
Yeah, that's my backup plan. Halfling with the Child-like feat. But that still feels weird, and I think I probably ought to be able to pull this off. Plucky young boy is a totally valid fantasy trope!
I know I had read a post by Josh that said you could choose to be whateer age you wanted for your PFS character, but it had no mechanical adjustment what so ever. Of course, this is probably over a year old info, and Mark/Hyrum may have a different take on it.
I can't offer any help on this, but I wanted to say, that is a really cool idea.
Thanks!
Basically the idea is that he is a kitchen-boy working in the manor house of some mean Conjurer that's trying to figure out how to summon an eidolon. Of course, the mean old bastard has a low Charisma, so it doesn't work.
The kid builds a little golem out of pots and pans, and accidentally makes an eidolon out of it while mocking his employer.
... theyfightcrime.
This is, of course, an obvious nod to my own behavior as I have worked in many kitchens over the years, and supplies tend to go missing. And robots mysteriously appear.
Child protective services always take away young children with class levels to prevent them from going on adventure. They're not meant to witness the horrors of adventuring.
Are you going to name him Calvin?
Nope, the kid is named "Scrub."
The robot starts out as "Dishbot" but will have a new name for every transformation it undergoes.
I plan to age the character each level, and as he gets older, the robot becomes progressively more bad-ass and Escaflowne-like. (say what you will about that show, the mechanical design kicked ass)
The story has a built-in villain, too. The jealous Conjurer who's trying to capture the eidolon.
Man. I wanna play it.
Child protective services always take away young children with class levels to prevent them from going on adventure. They're not meant to witness the horrors of adventuring.
You know, on these forums, I sometimes I get the impression that would be a good idea. ;)
But not in this case, this is more a byproduct of my long-extinguished youthful exuberance being rekindled by repeated viewings of Adventure Time with Finn and Jake.
If it wasn't PFS i would say simply give him the Small size alteration and call him a youngster. PFS, i am unsure.
Yeah, I guess I will just generate him as a normal human then. Seems a bit boring to me, but if I don't play him society I will probably never get to play him. A glut of GMs is not a problem I have experienced in my lifetime.
Then again, halfling works quite well with his background too. Maybe I'll make him a halfling anyway, AND quite young. Smehehe.
Are you going to name him Calvin?
I was thinking Rydia, but that probably fits better. :P
Yeah, I guess I will just generate him as a normal human then. Seems a bit boring to me, but if I don't play him society I will probably never get to play him. A glut of GMs is not a problem I have experienced in my lifetime.
Then again, halfling works quite well with his background too. Maybe I'll make him a halfling anyway, AND quite young. Smehehe.
I'd say take the halfling, and play him as a human child. I could imagine him, after getting a few 'years', being fed up with being treated like a child, starting to cast enlarge person on himself to appear as an adult.
You could just add the Young Template to your human. Maybe take a third trait in return. You'd be loosing more than you gain.
Are you going to name him Calvin?I was thinking Rydia, but that probably fits better. :P
i love final fantasy 4. Rydia was a child summoner, and you could draw a bit of inspiration from her. your Eidolon should be a knight clad in a spiked black suit of platemail. and this eidolon should be named Cecil. Cecil should also wield a greatsword. and every know and then, you should call him 'daddy.'
my top 3 games in the final fantasy series are 4, 6, and 9.
you could make a story about how Cecil accidentally burned down your hometown with a cursed ring when you were too young to remember it and how, out of mercy and compassion, he spared your life and adopted you as his surrogate daughter. the team of a surrogate father and his adopted daughter.
Rydia was a child summoner
That sounds really ineffective. Others can summon dragons, great mounted knights and incarnations of death itself, and Rydia summons children?
Useful if the Candy Emperor ever comes through with his threat to attack humanity, but until then, I'll have my horrible beasties to summon.
Or brightly-coloured poodles and chihuahuas.
A child of what though?
If the common "eidolon" builds are any example, there are some really really strange "parents" out there..
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I'm playing a summoner with the young template in a home game that's ending (eidlon is a puppet, both he and his Eidlon are former soul dolls partly freed).
In PFS, even if I couldn't use the young template, I would spend my points to simulate that. I'd buy low str, high dex and cha etc and just hand wave size. I did a simular thing when I summoner PFS character using my 'chicken/Veliraptor' eidlon is using the quadraped rather then biped template form because it it's speed and attack forms and the fact my character wants to ride it make it a better fit in all other ways.
Evil Lincoln, You wouldn't happen to be in Vegas would you? I happen to have heard this same concept here
Nope. Upstate NY. Spiritually and physically distant from Vegas, methinks. It's snowing here!
Rydia was a child summonerThat sounds really ineffective. Others can summon dragons, great mounted knights and incarnations of death itself, and Rydia summons children?
Useful if the Candy Emperor ever comes through with his threat to attack humanity, but until then, I'll have my horrible beasties to summon.
Or brightly-coloured poodles and chihuahuas.
I dunno, I think an evil child summoner might have a lot of utility against a paladin...
I have no freaking clue about Society Legal (maybe this should be moved to the Pathfinder Society subforum?) but making your human Small instead of Medium should be fair mechanical trade off.
There's no age adjustments for creatures younger than adult, but you could take a -2 to Str for being young and undeveloped. Maybe with a +2 to Dex as a tradeoff?
Rydia doesn't summon children, she is a child who happens to be a summoner. she summons all the stock final fantasy summons. and spams elemental offensive spells too. since we can't get a second guy willing to play the black knight Cecil Harvey. i suggest making him your eidolon.
I dunno, I think an evil child summoner might have a lot of utility against a paladin...
Talk about overspecialisation. That's not a good thing in today's business.
It might be fine against the good types, but occasionally, you have to fight other evildoers. And in that occasion, you just provide them with meat for a nice barbecue to celebrate your demise.
Rydia doesn't summon children, she is a child who happens to be a summoner.
Thanks for clearing that up. Here I was, thinking Lydia was calling for children. Probably with candy.
I was about to have her arrested. People who call children are usually up to no good.
But it's all so logical now.
Rydia doesn't summon children, she is a child who happens to be a summoner.Thanks for clearing that up. Here I was, thinking Lydia was calling for children. Probably with candy.
I was about to have her arrested. People who call children are usually up to no good.
But it's all so logical now.
you must have never played final fantasy 4.
Rydia of Mist is awesome.
and yes, her home villiage is called Mist. it gets burned down in an accident involving a knight, a dragoon, a few magic trinkets and an evil king.
and the game actually does spell it Rydia. and they will keep doing it. it has several translation errors they just chose to keep because they have had them for so long.
you must have never played final fantasy 4.
How can you order me to never have done something? Not doing it any more, that could work, but you can't order the past to change retroactively.
How can you order me to never have done something? Not doing it any more, that could work, but you can't order the past to change retroactively.
you must have never played final fantasy 4.
i didn't mean to order you. i just assumed you never got a chance to play the game. if you like classic RPGs, i think you should play it. not as an order, but as a reccomendation.
How can you order me to never have done something?
you must have never played final fantasy 4.
KaeYoss, Du bist Deutsch, ja? Ach, Saarlander -- OK. The English idiom "you must not have done X" means, roughly, "it seems to me that you have never done X."
But your English is nearly perfect, so perhaps you know that and are simply giving Shuriken a hard time, ja?
Oder vielleicht ist er gut mit Kinderzauberei!
(I am sorry)
Not a perfect solution, but you could just make the character with a low strength score (maybe con too... kids are pretty fragile but it might make it too hard to play). Don't pump knowledge skills too much until the character's had time to learn some stuff in game.
Maybe you could fluff away the hit and ac bonus from small by saying the kid doesn't have the years of training most characters have.
That way you haven't really messed with any mechanics and you can deal with gms on a case by case about whether or not you can do roleplay things like wriggle through small spaces.
[rant]My group is bunch of anime maniacs, so it's very common to one or another make a char after one or another anime character. But one thing is already making me going crazy. 10 year old child. Adventuring around. Killing monsters mercylessy... I already prohibited chars under the adulthood age in my campaigns...[/rant]
But if you know how to roleplay it, sure, it can be a great concept. But please... you're a kid. Act like one...
[rant]My group is bunch of anime maniacs, so it's very common to one or another make a char after one or another anime character. But one thing is already making me going crazy. 10 year old child. Adventuring around. Killing monsters mercylessy... I already prohibited chars under the adulthood age in my campaigns...[/rant]
But if you know how to roleplay it, sure, it can be a great concept. But please... you're a kid. Act like one...
Which would include having extreme emotional trauma and either coping or going on a killing spree!
After all where do you think sociopaths come from in the fantasy world. ;)
There's no age adjustments for creatures younger than adult, but you could take a -2 to Str for being young and undeveloped. Maybe with a +2 to Dex as a tradeoff?
As I already said, Bestiary 1. Young Template. Boom.
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If you can't get the young template, you could just choose stats that simulate a younger character...
-Put your +2 bonus in DEX
-Take STR as your dump stat
-Low WIS (inexperienced)
-Take Dodge so simulate being small
-Take child-aligned traits
...and just roleplay as a kid.
Also, completely independent of childishness, you might want to pick up the human alt. racial trait 'Heart of the Streets' from the APG to go along with the whole urban dish-boy theme.
The whole idea sounds like fun. I've always wished there were rules for generating younger characters. There are rules for old ones and dead ones, shouldn't there be rules for young ones? Just for completeness' sake?
i didn't mean to order you.How can you order me to never have done something? Not doing it any more, that could work, but you can't order the past to change retroactively.
you must have never played final fantasy 4.
I know. I've been screwing with you. It's something I can't always resist.
i just assumed you never got a chance to play the game. if you like classic RPGs, i think you should play it. not as an order, but as a reccomendation.
I actually might, but I still have a few other FF games in the queue I'll probably play first.