It takes no time to craft a wooden stake or a club, just time to find them (DM's call). No clue what a stingchuck is.
It takes no time to craft a wooden stake or a club, just time to find them (DM's call). No clue what a stingchuck is.If no time is needed, then what is the maximum one can craft in one day? Also, a stingchuck is a splash weapon made out of a empty skull, check Archive of Nethys.
As said : as many as your DM wish... ;)
Make a roll on Common Sense. (I still don´t get why some people need rules for everything. When I DM, I use as few rules as possible, rules should be helpers, not constraints!)
Make a roll on Common Sense. (I still don´t get why some people need rules for everything. When I DM, I use as few rules as possible, rules should be helpers, not constraints!)
This is exactly what I do, whenever I don't know a particular rule, and the book isn't helping I make something up
Masterwork as well? That is a lot DM fiat. I was hoping for something RAW to bring to my DM. Should it be unwritten, I suppose I will have no choice.
Masterwork weapons cost 300 gp more than the base price, masterwork armor costs 150 gp more than the base price
A masterwork staff costs 300 gp since there is no base price, therefore you use that cost to craft
edit: actually it's 600 gp since a staff is a double weapon
Masterwork does not add additional time, and it's a separate check. It does add cost, and an additional check, but nothing else.
Mmmmh I think that Masterwork did add additional time... Since : "Once both the standard component and the masterwork component are completed, the masterwork item is finished."
So you find a piece of wood (time taken : as your dm wish), then you put a lot of gold to make it beautifuly carved and add more balance etc. (masterwork check) and when you finish the masterwork "work" the item is a masterwork club...
Masterwork does not add additional time, and it's a separate check. It does add cost, and an additional check, but nothing else.
Because my book is downstairs and I'm a wee bit lazy I'm going to copy from the PRD
Create Masterwork Items: You can make a masterwork item: a weapon, suit of armor, shield, or tool that conveys a bonus on its use through its exceptional craftsmanship. To create a masterwork item, you create the masterwork component as if it were a separate item in addition to the standard item. The masterwork component has its own price (300 gp for a weapon or 150 gp for a suit of armor or a shield, see Equipment for the price of other masterwork tools) and a Craft DC of 20. Once both the standard component and the masterwork component are completed, the masterwork item is finished. The cost you pay for the masterwork component is one-third of the given amount, just as it is for the cost in raw materials.
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/skills/craft.html#craft
I assume what it means is that when you craft a masterwork item you make craft checks for the masterwork component separately, meaning that since your staff has a cost of 0, you would only make checks for the component, and spend a total of 200 gold on it.
Personally, I think that the staff should have a base cost of its own, maybe 1 cp or something because usually one would think that the time and effort someone took to make it from a stick to an actual staff is worth something more than 0, and according to my econ professor there's no such thing as a free sandwich.
As said : as many as your DM wish... ;)It takes no time to craft a wooden stake or a club, just time to find them (DM's call). No clue what a stingchuck is.If no time is needed, then what is the maximum one can craft in one day? Also, a stingchuck is a splash weapon made out of a empty skull, check Archive of Nethys.
No. I'm sorry, but no.
Look at it this way. I can pick up a broom handle, or a stick off the ground and use it as a Baseball bat, but it's simply not going to be as effective as a actual Baseball bat. And a cheap bat is not going to be as effective as a more expensive "masterwork" bat made out of good, high quality Ash wood or aluminum.
It's the same thing with a club, making one that hits hard and doesn't shatter on the first blow will take some time.
No. I'm sorry, but no.
Look at it this way. I can pick up a broom handle, or a stick off the ground and use it as a Baseball bat, but it's simply not going to be as effective as a actual Baseball bat. And a cheap bat is not going to be as effective as a more expensive "masterwork" bat made out of good, high quality Ash wood or aluminum.
It's the same thing with a club, making one that hits hard and doesn't shatter on the first blow will take some time.
By the craft RAW you can make as many as you want since a club has no value... or you can say that you can't do it since there's no value and you need a value to craft it... ;)
Anyway the craft RAW cannot really be applied to things with no value, so it's a DM call... If I am the DM and says you can make 10.000 club a day you can... If you're the DM and you say that you need time so you can only make one in three weeks you can too :p
A club for a giant is a tree... So a giant in a forest can make a club in no time ;)
As said : as many as your DM wish... ;)It takes no time to craft a wooden stake or a club, just time to find them (DM's call). No clue what a stingchuck is.If no time is needed, then what is the maximum one can craft in one day? Also, a stingchuck is a splash weapon made out of a empty skull, check Archive of Nethys.No. I'm sorry, but no.
Look at it this way. I can pick up a broom handle, or a stick off the ground and use it as a Baseball bat, but it's simply not going to be as effective as a actual Baseball bat. And a cheap bat is not going to be as effective as a more expensive "masterwork" bat made out of good, high quality Ash wood or aluminum.
It's the same thing with a club, making one that hits hard and doesn't shatter on the first blow will take some time.
The description for a club is missing in pathfinder, but in 3.5 it said that there was no time to craft a club (or quarterstaff) because you could go out into the woods to find one. I can go outside right now and find a pile of perfectly good quarterstaffs (they used to be saplings, we were clearing out a pick-nick area, they are all between 4-5 ft long, hard wood, sturdy, and took an all of 5 minutes to make).
I'd base it on the system used for pricing the crafting of 0 level spell based magic items and calculate it with a 0.5cp value.
By RAW, the most often you can make progress on crafting is once per day. So I'd say that, RAW, in the time it takes you to gather the tools to craft a quarterstaff, you can have one made if you make the DC 12 craft check. And you can do so once a day.
The description for a club is missing in pathfinder, but in 3.5 it said that there was no time to craft a club (or quarterstaff) because you could go out into the woods to find one. I can go outside right now and find a pile of perfectly good quarterstaffs (they used to be saplings, we were clearing out a pick-nick area, they are all between 4-5 ft long, hard wood, sturdy, and took an all of 5 minutes to make).As said : as many as your DM wish... ;)It takes no time to craft a wooden stake or a club, just time to find them (DM's call). No clue what a stingchuck is.If no time is needed, then what is the maximum one can craft in one day? Also, a stingchuck is a splash weapon made out of a empty skull, check Archive of Nethys.No. I'm sorry, but no.
Look at it this way. I can pick up a broom handle, or a stick off the ground and use it as a Baseball bat, but it's simply not going to be as effective as a actual Baseball bat. And a cheap bat is not going to be as effective as a more expensive "masterwork" bat made out of good, high quality Ash wood or aluminum.
It's the same thing with a club, making one that hits hard and doesn't shatter on the first blow will take some time.
It would only take five minutes to find one that's completely straight, with no cracks or knots, and properly balanced? To strip off it's branchs and bark, then wait for the wood to dry completely before smoothing it out to remove any splinters? Lastly applying either some kind of sealer or at least a tightly wrapped leather grip?
All that takes only five minutes?
The description for a club is missing in pathfinder, but in 3.5 it said that there was no time to craft a club (or quarterstaff) because you could go out into the woods to find one. I can go outside right now and find a pile of perfectly good quarterstaffs (they used to be saplings, we were clearing out a pick-nick area, they are all between 4-5 ft long, hard wood, sturdy, and took an all of 5 minutes to make).As said : as many as your DM wish... ;)It takes no time to craft a wooden stake or a club, just time to find them (DM's call). No clue what a stingchuck is.If no time is needed, then what is the maximum one can craft in one day? Also, a stingchuck is a splash weapon made out of a empty skull, check Archive of Nethys.No. I'm sorry, but no.
Look at it this way. I can pick up a broom handle, or a stick off the ground and use it as a Baseball bat, but it's simply not going to be as effective as a actual Baseball bat. And a cheap bat is not going to be as effective as a more expensive "masterwork" bat made out of good, high quality Ash wood or aluminum.
It's the same thing with a club, making one that hits hard and doesn't shatter on the first blow will take some time.
It would only take five minutes to find one that's completely straight, with no cracks or knots, and properly balanced? To strip off it's branchs and bark, then wait for the wood to dry completely before smoothing it out to remove any splinters? Lastly applying either some kind of sealer or at least a tightly wrapped leather grip?
All that takes only five minutes?
You do not need for it to completely dry. If it is still green, it has a little whip to it which is far more painful than brute force (after all, there is a reason bamboo staves were popular, despite that they had oak).If you are working with a sapling, no cracks and knots would be easy. Some variety of trees grow very straight with few low branches. splinters form as the wood drys, when you first get it, there would be no splinters, and if you to care of it (daily maintenance), it would serve you well for a long time. I stand by 5 minutes for a serviceable quarterstaff or club.
Not to get into the spoilers too much, but a stingchuck is not something most good PC's would make. Even if they were making it, I would not say it has no value as the items that go into are not something you can just look around and find easily.
Aside from that, crafting items with no GP value should take a short amount of time. I would say most of it would go into a survival check to search for the raw materials.
How does one determine the time needed to craft a item without value, such as the club, wooden stake, or stingchuck? One does not divide by zero, so how does one tell how much you beat the price in silver pieces(0) with a craft check? Any ideas?
It's instantaneous. You walk up to a tree, lay your hand on it, and it turns into a pile of clubs and quarterstaves.