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I've decided I want to make a wizard with the Shadow Projection spell, the Eschew Materials and Extend Spell feats, and a +1 ghost touch gauntlet.
Now, the way I figure it, I can fly around all day as an incorporeal creature, manipulate objects with my gauntlet, and continue to cast spells and adventure.
The only disadvantages I'm seeing is being extremely limited in gear (as I can only really use my headband, since my mental attributes go into the shadow) and having to go to extremely lengths to protect my otherwise helpless body from such things as interlopers and starvation.
It's no wonder they slapped the evil tag on it. It seems like something a reoccurring villain would do.
Anyways, I was wondering if there is anything that would keep this from working. Also, I'm hoping to garner ideas on improving the concept (both conceptually and mechanically).
A ring of sustenance will prevent starvation/dehydration/etc.
I don't know your class, but you could get Improved Familiar and a bag of holding, have your familiar put your body in the bag and carry the bag for you. Other ideas to come.
I'm thinking of putting a contingencied healing effect on the body, for when I go down to -1 HP. Also have a teleport effect and a second casting of shadow projection just in case I get knocked out and need to get back into the action quickly. That way, my body could be safe hundreds of miles away from the action and I still wouldn't miss much.
I'm thinking of putting a contingencied healing effect on the body, for when I go down to -1 HP. Also have a teleport effect and a second casting of shadow projection just in case I get knocked out and need to get back into the action quickly. That way, my body could be safe hundreds of miles away from the action and I still wouldn't miss much.
A half-orc's ferocity would also help out once per day. And a ring of regeneration would be nice at higher levels.
you could get Improved Familiar and a bag of holding, have your familiar put your body in the bag
Wouldn't the caster then suffocate?
you could get Improved Familiar and a bag of holding, have your familiar put your body in the bagWouldn't the caster then suffocate?
Yep. 10 minutes of air inside a Bag of Holding of any type. However, you can use a Necklace of Adaptation to breathe in a vaccuum.
The other issue is that a bag of holding constitutes an extra-dimensional space. Not sure how projecting yourself out of a pocket dimension works, but that could cause issues.
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Yep. 10 minutes of air inside a Bag of Holding of any type. However, you can use a Necklace of Adaptation to breathe in a vaccuum.
The other issue is that a bag of holding constitutes an extra-dimensional space. Not sure how projecting yourself out of a pocket dimension works, but that could cause issues.
I like to believe that there's a magical research facility somewhere in Golarion where Wizards and Alchemists are running experiments like this. In fact, that could be the hook for a whole series of adventures.
you could get Improved Familiar and a bag of holding, have your familiar put your body in the bagWouldn't the caster then suffocate?Yep. 10 minutes of air inside a Bag of Holding of any type. However, you can use a Necklace of Adaptation to breathe in a vaccuum.
The other issue is that a bag of holding constitutes an extra-dimensional space. Not sure how projecting yourself out of a pocket dimension works, but that could cause issues.
Bottle of Air, Iridescent Spindle Ion Stone, there are ways to overcome that.
Also, you do not project yourself out of the bag of holding, you cast the spell and have your familiar put you in the bag of holding.
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We're back to 'Entrusting squishy creature with life' again! >_<
Clarification: Not saying good/bad idea. Just the thought of the hired help having so much responsibility makes me.. ..nervous o_o! :)
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.....We're back to 'Entrusting squishy creature with life' again! >_<
Clarification: Not saying good/bad idea. Just the thought of the hired help having so much responsibility makes me.. ..nervous o_o! :)
If we use the familiar option. I could just as easily leave my body at home hundreds of miles away from the adventure site.
If we use the familiar option. I could just as easily leave my body at home hundreds of miles away from the adventure site..
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Clarification: Not saying good/bad idea. Just the thought of the hired help having so much responsibility makes me.. ..nervous o_o! :)
Aye aye - go full Mumm-Ra and get the complete Tomb of Awesome (complete with deadly traps)..
..which is, of course, a decoy! :D
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Hmm, could you the Share Spells familiar feature to Magic Jar the familiar's soul into your life-less body?
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nope, magic jar target is one creature while share spells is self.
Aaaaw... :,(
And this is where the binding spell comes in. If you're going to leave bodies behind, put 'em in a jar and keep 'em where you can see 'em.
Also, you do not project yourself out of the bag of holding, you cast the spell and have your familiar put you in the bag of holding.
Your body still ends up in a separate dimension, regardless of when the spell is cast. That was my point.
It's a moot point though. As the spell is written, there's no connection between your body and the shadow that needs maintenance, so you can just as easily project your shadow and have it Plane Shift your inert body somewhere safe. The bag of holding is the safer option since retrieval is simpler than locating your body on whatever plane you catapult it into. Since there's no restriction on distance from your body or a requirement that you and your shadow coexist on the same plane of existence, there appear to be many ways you could put your body somewhere safe. Maybe pull some fun stunts with Maze or Imprisonment as (shock! awe!) defensive spells.
Also, you do not project yourself out of the bag of holding, you cast the spell and have your familiar put you in the bag of holding.Your body still ends up in a separate dimension, regardless of when the spell is cast. That was my point.
It's a moot point though. As the spell is written, there's no connection between your body and the shadow that needs maintenance, so you can just as easily project your shadow and have it Plane Shift your inert body somewhere safe. The bag of holding is the safer option since retrieval is simpler than locating your body on whatever plane you catapult it into. Since there's no restriction on distance from your body or a requirement that you and your shadow coexist on the same plane of existence, there appear to be many ways you could put your body somewhere safe. Maybe pull some fun stunts with Maze or Imprisonment as (shock! awe!) defensive spells.
God forbid somebody destroy your bag of holding while you are in it though.
God forbid somebody destroy your bag of holding while you are in it though.
I would love to see a spiteful familiar toss a bag o' wizard into a portable hole.
We could make a list of all tricks to become lich-like. There Shadow Projection for the ghost lich, Magic Jar for the jar-jar lich, Clone for the contingency lich, contingency for the... eh... other contingency lich.
Any others? Apart from the actual lich, of course.
Dang. Wouldnt it just be easier to become a lich?
No. It wouldn't.
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So, you make a magic item that ties a Mage's Magnificent Mansion to the gauntlet. Then by pressing your hand forward and using the command word, you open the door to the mansion. Place your body in the mansion, close the door, and go adventuring. When you need your body again, open the door to retrieve.
using the command word
Do Shadows even have a voice?
So, you make a magic item that ties a Mage's Magnificent Mansion to the gauntlet. Then by pressing your hand forward and using the command word, you open the door to the mansion. Place your body in the mansion, close the door, and go adventuring. When you need your body again, open the door to retrieve.
That's an awesome idea!
using the command wordDo Shadows even have a voice?
That is a most interesting point! I do not see a language line listed, though that may be just because a variety of creatures with different languages can potentially become shadows.