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Favorite character type / trope? I guess it varies, but I do like the idea of a former villain out to do good, or someone who was chosen to wield some dark power but rejects its original purpose on principle. An example trope is the Anti-Antichrist, but on a similar note of wielding a dark power without being evil I am also rather fond of the Dark Knight from FF XIV.

Then again, the kind of characters I like tend to shift every now and then, but consistently I've been fond of heroes who aren't perfect but their flaws are not so overwhelming as to make them unheroic. I think trope-wise Knight in Sour Armor is closest to the image I have in mind for that specific character type, a hero who will fight the good fight even if they've given up on whatever idealism they started out with.


Guess that character elaboration got a naked element added to it...


lisamarlene wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:

I got nothing, I'm just glad I'm not dealing with it.

Unrelated, 80s week on the Great British Baking Show is pretty weird. I don't know if it's because I hated the 80s (I was born in 1976 and I suffered a tremendous amount of abuse (by my biological father) and bullying (my brothers) and have mostly repressed them or if 80s brittain was different than 80s america but I'm not really getting their references.

Quiche, ET, and ice cream cakes were all a thing, but as for all the pop culture references that Noel and Matt made, I think those only made sense if you grew up in England. Ditto for those weird "doughnuts" in the technical.

Roland Rat?

Bananarama?
Lovejoy?
A bust of Thatchron made out of merangue?


Limeylongears wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:

I got nothing, I'm just glad I'm not dealing with it.

Unrelated, 80s week on the Great British Baking Show is pretty weird. I don't know if it's because I hated the 80s (I was born in 1976 and I suffered a tremendous amount of abuse (by my biological father) and bullying (my brothers) and have mostly repressed them or if 80s brittain was different than 80s america but I'm not really getting their references.

Quiche, ET, and ice cream cakes were all a thing, but as for all the pop culture references that Noel and Matt made, I think those only made sense if you grew up in England. Ditto for those weird "doughnuts" in the technical.

Roland Rat?

Bananarama?
Lovejoy?
A bust of Thatchron made out of merangue?

I know one of those. I leave it to you figure out which.


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Fort Yargo state park is pretty awesome. Going to go hiking the trails later today. The yurts are pretty comfy.


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captain yesterday wrote:

I've never had ice cream cake.

That has to be an anomaly.

During the 80's, the "cool kids" thing to have at your birthday party was a cake from Baskin Robbins. I never had one, because they were freaking expensive and my mom just made cake herself and served ice cream on the side. I was NOT one of the cool kids.


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Limeylongears wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:

I got nothing, I'm just glad I'm not dealing with it.

Unrelated, 80s week on the Great British Baking Show is pretty weird. I don't know if it's because I hated the 80s (I was born in 1976 and I suffered a tremendous amount of abuse (by my biological father) and bullying (my brothers) and have mostly repressed them or if 80s brittain was different than 80s america but I'm not really getting their references.

Quiche, ET, and ice cream cakes were all a thing, but as for all the pop culture references that Noel and Matt made, I think those only made sense if you grew up in England. Ditto for those weird "doughnuts" in the technical.

Roland Rat?

Bananarama?
Lovejoy?
A bust of Thatchron made out of merangue?

No idea what Roland Rat is. All the Bananarama I know is "Venus" and "Cruel Summer". I've never seen Lovejoy (although it's been on the "eventually" list because Ian McShane), and I missed the Thacher reference.


I have before and after school today, tomorrow, and Thursday to finish prepping my home learning kits for all my students to take home on Friday, and I thought I had bought enough supplies and I just found out I'm getting two extra students from Rob's class because he's going on leave until we come back to campus. So now I have to go buy more.

At least WW is at home right now and can deal with taking the kids to school and doing some of the housework this week.


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The Vagrant Erudite wrote:

What's everyone's favorite character type/trope?

I like reformed villains and heroes who wield the darkness against the darkness. I suppose it qualifies as antiheroes, but a rather specific type. More of a fan of antivillains than antiheroes in literature: the bad guys who can play nice with good guys or who have good reason to be bad/are relatable. Types like Magneto or the Honorable Enemy who gives you a fair chance/has a greater good motivation/etc.

But by that same token I rather more enjoy the ex-villain or hero powered by darkness. Not for the angst or edginess. Just for the idea of turning fire against fire. I suppose it's why tieflings and half orcs are my favorite races in Pathfinder.

Definitely a fan of the reformed villain and dark is not evil concepts. Lawful Evil that plays nice with good guys and steps in to do the morally questionable stuff they don't is also a favorite. At the same time I love paladins and other super good guy stuff, though I have combined those concepts a few times - for example, my longest-played character in Neverwinter Nights is an ex-Blackguard turned Paladin.

The rare time I play chaotic I tend to go for cloudcuckoolander types who aren't quite all there, and/or who perceive the world in strange or incomprehensible ways.

Scarab Sages

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I like playing happy dumb characters.


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Reluctant heroes. I love normal people who get dragged into situations they absolutely should not be in and have the skills to cope...but all they really want is to settle down for a quiet, stable life. But the world continues to be on fire, so they have to keep going out and fixing it.


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I also like reluctant heroes, plus mysterious heroes, and antiheroes.

In our parties I usually play the straight man but that's what happens when the rest of group buys masterwork stilts and 1,000 fortune cookies to go spelunking.


I like most characters, so long as they aren't too obvious with their tropes. We need good and bad guys, neutral and Chaotic heroes, lawful villains and all combinations thereof. Some heroes are reluctant, others overly enthusiastic. It depends on how they are pitched at me as a person taking in their story.

In terms of what I play, it depends on what I roll up.


Sharoth wrote:
Fort Yargo state park is pretty awesome. Going to go hiking the trails later today. The yurts are pretty comfy.

Cool!


Docketing calls are a pain my tush. Especially when my docket is clear through the end of the year.

Grumble. B~~&*. Grumble.


Orthos wrote:
The Vagrant Erudite wrote:

What's everyone's favorite character type/trope?

I like reformed villains and heroes who wield the darkness against the darkness. I suppose it qualifies as antiheroes, but a rather specific type. More of a fan of antivillains than antiheroes in literature: the bad guys who can play nice with good guys or who have good reason to be bad/are relatable. Types like Magneto or the Honorable Enemy who gives you a fair chance/has a greater good motivation/etc.

But by that same token I rather more enjoy the ex-villain or hero powered by darkness. Not for the angst or edginess. Just for the idea of turning fire against fire. I suppose it's why tieflings and half orcs are my favorite races in Pathfinder.

Definitely a fan of the reformed villain and dark is not evil concepts. Lawful Evil that plays nice with good guys and steps in to do the morally questionable stuff they don't is also a favorite. At the same time I love paladins and other super good guy stuff, though I have combined those concepts a few times - for example, my longest-played character in Neverwinter Nights is an ex-Blackguard turned Paladin.

The rare time I play chaotic I tend to go for cloudcuckoolander types who aren't quite all there, and/or who perceive the world in strange or incomprehensible ways.

Yeah. Playing a LG cleric in your game is really me stepping out of my comfort zone. I almost never relate to boyscout types. Not sure how well it'll go. We'll see.


It's a curvy Tuesday.


Hello, everyone.


Captain Yesterday, FaWtL 6 News wrote:
It's a curvy Tuesday.

indeed.


As far as character types go, I prefer arcane casters. I wouldn't mind playing a character like John Constantine, from the DC animated universe.


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Moral complications. That's what I like in a hero or a villain. Square-jaw types that see the world as good and evil, cartoon villains that are evil b/c reasons... none of that interests me.

However, I also favor heroes who, despite moral complications, still strive to do what's right. Give me a Spider Man over a Wolverine any day.

Last but not least... heroes with limitations. Remember the Sony X-Men movies and quicksilver in those? Like, moving so fast that time essentially stops? That's silly amounts of power.

I want heroes that don't have all the answers, that aren't always up to the challenge, folks that sometimes, all they have left is just showing up, being present.

Dean Winchester going toe-to-toe with the devil himself, no chance to win; Spider Man brawling against Venom the first time around; Steve Rogers, pre-Serum, in the corner of an alley wheezing "I can do this all day." Sometimes being a hero just means showing up when everyone else is leaving.

In PF, I favor builds that subvert expectations. Making halfling slingers that become the DPR leader of the party; building a Grippli non-spellcaster around the Agile Tongue feat; making the toughest, meanest lone kobold villain at a given CR using only NPC class levels. I love it when the small, unassuming threat is the one that ends the fight.

Personally, I've never been down for real darkness. When I was a kid I played a lot of clerics while my brother favored fighter types. When we were in HS we had a whole debate - swords vs staves. I contended that staves were better: anyone can make one, they mainly just cause pain, don't necessarily kill outright, and they take skill to use as a lethal weapon while the same skill makes them a tool, a utility or even something to just deter/annoy your enemy. Swords are meant to kill or to disarm, then kill.

Now as a grown up I prefer my heroes, my tropes to be tinted with a bit of hope, a bit of optimism. See, in my RL I've seen nothing but darkness the whole time. Without going into my personal life I've experienced a lot of loss and pain since I was six. So in my fantasies I want a way out of that, past it. I want villains who bring the dark, but I want heroes that find the dawn on the other side.


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Mark Hoover 330 wrote:

Moral complications. That's what I like in a hero or a villain. Square-jaw types that see the world as good and evil, cartoon villains that are evil b/c reasons... none of that interests me.

However, I also favor heroes who, despite moral complications, still strive to do what's right. Give me a Spider Man over a Wolverine any day.

Last but not least... heroes with limitations. Remember the Sony X-Men movies and quicksilver in those? Like, moving so fast that time essentially stops? That's silly amounts of power.

I want heroes that don't have all the answers, that aren't always up to the challenge, folks that sometimes, all they have left is just showing up, being present.

Dean Winchester going toe-to-toe with the devil himself, no chance to win; Spider Man brawling against Venom the first time around; Steve Rogers, pre-Serum, in the corner of an alley wheezing "I can do this all day." Sometimes being a hero just means showing up when everyone else is leaving.

In PF, I favor builds that subvert expectations. Making halfling slingers that become the DPR leader of the party; building a Grippli non-spellcaster around the Agile Tongue feat; making the toughest, meanest lone kobold villain at a given CR using only NPC class levels. I love it when the small, unassuming threat is the one that ends the fight.

Personally, I've never been down for real darkness. When I was a kid I played a lot of clerics while my brother favored fighter types. When we were in HS we had a whole debate - swords vs staves. I contended that staves were better: anyone can make one, they mainly just cause pain, don't necessarily kill outright, and they take skill to use as a lethal weapon while the same skill makes them a tool, a utility or even something to just deter/annoy your enemy. Swords are meant to kill or to disarm, then kill.

I would question the notion that a big old stave is a kinder weapon. True, being whacked with intent with a hefty six foot pole *might* not kill you, but something will break nastily, and you are finished if you get a full force belt on the head. We were never allowed to do anything energetic when we did quarterstaff.

As to its effectiveness, many folks have said that they are better than swords as a self defence weapon. Here's a nice little anecdote of a sailor taking on three Spaniards with rapiers and winning


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Limeylongears wrote:
Mark Hoover 330 wrote:

Moral complications.

I would question the notion that a big old stave is a kinder weapon. True, being whacked with intent with a hefty six foot pole *might* not kill you,...

I will take staff over sword in most situations. It's just a more versatile weapon in the right hands.

Granted, from a pure stats view in PF, it's really hard to justify staff over sword.


I've been looking for 'Stormbringer' replicas.

I've found one.

It's nearly five thousand pounds.

Yikes.


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Aw, go ahead and dream!
Go for the black sapphires rather than the lapis lazuli.

Only three thousand pounds more.


Staves all day. Underestimated almost always leads to an unpleasant surprise.

And yes, a blow to the head will kill.


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CrystalSeas wrote:

Aw, go ahead and dream!

Go for the black sapphires rather than the lapis lazuli.

Only three thousand pounds more.

how would you even pick that up? Thats super heavy.

Scarab Sages

*big sigh*


The debate DID touch on effectiveness, but it started and ended with intent. You pick up a staff, you're meaning to defend yourself, keep your foes at bay, but ultimately your foes are risking pain, not death.

You pick up a sword, specifically the sword that started the debate which was a katana, you're not looking to wound or incapacitate. If sword leaves sheath, someone is getting cut or killed.

The deeper nature of the debate was: do you get into a fight to kill your enemies, or to "defeat" your enemies. I mean, I've only been in 2 real "fights" in my life and both were fist fights. The discussion between the two of us though was hypothetical, centering on if somebody pulled a lethal weapon on us in a fight, is it ok to use lethal force back IRL.

My answer was always no. I figured I could use a stick or a staff to keep someone backed off, slap their hands to make 'em drop whatever, or behind the knees to make 'em fall over so I could get away. My brother on the other hand said if they pull a knife, you pull a knife. Or a sword.

Ironically it took joining the Army and getting to be a really good shot with a rifle to change his mind. In the last couple years of his young life my brother Matt softened, became kinder and found a kind of zen I don't see in folks these days. He passed from cancer at age 20.


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*hugs Woran* for whatever reason.


Limeylongears wrote:

I've been looking for 'Stormbringer' replicas.

I've found one.

It's nearly five thousand pounds.

Yikes.

Will it keep calling you "master"?


Big surprise but my weapons of choice are axe, hammer, and pick axe.


Weird choices for a half elf.


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Half-Elves are versatile.


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Not one but two tickets for supposedly being too close to the hydrant.

Enraged currently.


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Co-worker (this morning when it was a balmy 23 degrees): So, what do you think of this weather?

Me: If I thought about the weather I probably wouldn't be here right now.


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I started Witcher 3.

Of course, GoG is offering a sale on Blood And Wine, which I don't have yet...


About to go home. Good night, everyone.


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captain yesterday wrote:

Co-worker (this morning when it was a balmy 23 degrees): So, what do you think of this weather?

Me: If I thought about the weather I probably wouldn't be here right now.

Did you mean at work, or in Wisconsin?


Sleep is for the weak

Scarab Sages

CrystalSeas wrote:
*hugs Woran* for whatever reason.

Thank you.


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Nylarthotep wrote:
Sleep is for the weak

Also for those who have to operate heavy machinery and dangerous equipment.


gran rey de los mono wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:

Co-worker (this morning when it was a balmy 23 degrees): So, what do you think of this weather?

Me: If I thought about the weather I probably wouldn't be here right now.

Did you mean at work, or in Wisconsin?

Yes.


Nylarthotep wrote:
Sleep is for the weak

I am very weak and not afraid to admit it then ;)


Orthos wrote:
Nylarthotep wrote:
Sleep is for the weak
I am very weak and not afraid to admit it then ;)

See, your pupper wasn't being annoying when she didn't let you sleep. She was trying to toughen you up. What a good doggo!


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Having not checked my work email last night (due to running a quest about a murderer with a hat of disguise), I got in today to discover that the superintendent is giving us Monday and Tuesday off for an extra-long Thanksgiving break.


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Freehold DM wrote:
CrystalSeas wrote:

Aw, go ahead and dream!

Go for the black sapphires rather than the lapis lazuli.

Only three thousand pounds more.

how would you even pick that up? Thats super heavy.

Yes, heavy with the tormented souls it has consumed!!!

I think, if I want one, the best option is to buy a regular two-hander, spray it black, paint some squiggly made-up runes on it and save myself approx. £4,500.


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So I am trying to get a handle on my eating in quarantine. The first step is to eat consciously. Yesterday I managed 1670 calories (way down from my usual) with 2 servings of fruit and 4 servings of veggies. A lot of the rest was processed/boxed food unfortunately, but still not the McDonalds or Burger King I've been eating lately.

One day down, another 29 to go to make this a habit. I don't care about the number in my weight, I just want to be comfortable and feel healthy again. I'll worry about the number later. Yes, I'm acutely aware I'm doing this going into Thanksgiving. Regardless, I'm sick and tired of feeling sick and tired, so I'm not putting this off anymore.


Good for you. And as my gym's nutritionist points out - Thanksgiving and Christmas dinner are just two meals out of about 180 meals in Nov-December. So are you going to let 2 meals sabotage the other 178?

Even allowing for leftovers and such...that is still about 160 meals that you can work towards feeling better.

Well, as I type this I realize we are now past the middle of November. But the sentiment remains the same.


Limeylongears wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
CrystalSeas wrote:

Aw, go ahead and dream!

Go for the black sapphires rather than the lapis lazuli.

Only three thousand pounds more.

how would you even pick that up? Thats super heavy.

Yes, heavy with the tormented souls it has consumed!!!

I think, if I want one, the best option is to buy a regular two-hander, spray it black, paint some squiggly made-up runes on it and save myself approx. £4,500.

Where it would lead Elric, if he had cut on the costs of getting Stormbringer?! Where?!

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