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Can a non-monk make an unarmed strike with something other than his fist? The description in the combat section suggests that you can, but is vague enough to confuse me, and my DM. Perhaps this has already been answered, by James or someone, but I cannot find anything, though that could be because I am quite new. If already addressed, links are appreciated.
Can a non-monk make an unarmed strike with something other than his fist? The description in the combat section suggests that you can, but is vague enough to confuse me, and my DM. Perhaps this has already been answered, by James or someone, but I cannot find anything, though that could be because I am quite new. If already addressed, links are appreciated.
Yes he can. What is confusing about it?
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It is a short description that seems to mirror the unarmed strike description in the monk class description, as if to simply reference it, implying that it is a monk only thing. My DM is convinced this true, though he also believes one can two weapon fight with two fists. I want to know, to see if can be combined with a two-handed weapon. His understanding seems to imply that more limbs, means more unarmed strikes. I disagree.
It is a short description that seems to mirror the unarmed strike description in the monk class description, as if to simply reference it, implying that it is a monk only thing. My DM is convinced this true, though he also believes one can two weapon fight with two fists. I want to know, to see if can be combined with a two-handed weapon. His understanding seems to imply that more limbs, means more unarmed strikes. I disagree.
Your DM is incorrect. Improved unarmed strike allows anyone to fight with unarmed strikes. The monk just happens to get the most benefit from it. Unarmed strikes can be used with TWF, but since a monk has flurry of blows(which imitates TWF) he can not combine the two. When using unarmed strikes your attacks are still limited to your BAB.
Why would anyone want to combine unarmed strikes with a weapon? It does not get extra attacks in.Edit:I should say a monk uses it as the focus of its attacks, but he gets no special privileges from improved unarmed strike itself.
Couldn't one attack with a greatsword, then get an off-hand headbutt at the appropriate penalty?
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Two-Weapon Fighting If you wield a second weapon in your off hand, you can get one extra attack per round with that weapon. You suffer a –6 penalty with your regular attack or attacks with your primary hand and a –10 penalty to the attack with your off hand when you fight this way. You can reduce these penalties in two ways. First, if your off-hand weapon is light, the penalties are reduced by 2 each. An unarmed strike is always considered light. Second, the Two-Weapon Fighting feat lessens the primary hand penalty by 2, and the off-hand penalty by 6.
I would allow the headbutt with the appropriate penalties for an unarmed attack and two-weapon fighting. With Improved Unarmed Attack and Two-Weapon Fighting feats the penalty is only -2,-2 and wouldn't draw an attack of opportunity.
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I am actually debating this on another thread, I am now truly convinced that one does not need to be a martial artist(monk) to kick a guy. That is just downright silly, anyone with functional legs can kick a guy. No secret art of foot use needed. I hate over-literal rules reading that simply detracts from the gameplay, and pushes itself outside the realm of logic, even within a game that includes dragons and wizards.
My opinion stands, and any non-monk character I play will kick the crap out of whatever he/she damn well feels like kicking.
My opinion stands, and any non-monk character I play will kick the crap out of whatever he/she damn well feels like kicking.
Amen, brother!
It is a short description that seems to mirror the unarmed strike description in the monk class description
It doesn't mirror it.
Unarmed Attacks in Combat lists punches, kicks, and head butts.
Monk Unarmed Strike class feature lists fist, elbows, knees, and feet.
So anyone can punch, kick, and headbutt. Only monks can use elbows and knees.
Over literal translation be damned...an Unarmed Strike is just that...striking without arms (second definition). A weapon. What you describe it as is flavor, unless your kick happens with a foot wearing a knife-boot, in which case it is not unarmed.
I'd personally say it does mirror it. Anyone can knee a guy, even though it doesn't explicitly mention knees in the feat.
That said, what parts of your body count is up to GM discretion, as much as I'd love to smack someone around with my ears.