on temptation to wander; if you begin to feel interested in someone else; call your spouse; call a friend; their your support network; play an internet game; anything; do go to places that is likely to happen; take your spouse on trips with you; tell her you miss your spouse a lot and you will; basically, build up your love for your spouse and that will build your resistance to wandering. It could be as simple as not meeeting their eyes.
Get to the place that Moorluck stated and I too feel. Make your spouse the center of you life; go shopping for a little gift for her; or email her a love letter, basically; love your wife. Tried to use the word spouse a lot so anyone can apply this to there partner; but I am a guy and I have a wife; so that is my default.
If you ask yourself; "what did I do to show my wife that I love her today" and you have some good answers; I doubt you will have any issues; but if you cant answer that; you have a duty; so go do something to show your wife you love her and do it every day. EVERY DAY. Be the spouse you would want to be married to.
I really like this answer.
My dad told me a lot when i was growing up. As much as love feels good and is fun, it's a commitment and a decision.
If you don't decide to love your spouse (and that's exactly what Valegrim is talking about here), then it'll show in your relationship. You will be less engaged, especially at times when there is distance - whether that distance is emotional or physical distance (as the OP is talking about).
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I am increasingly traveling in my job and becoming aware of how easy it is for folks to stray from their marital vows. For those in similar situations, how do you keep yourself in check?Looking at the actual question asked, I'm going to answer accordingly because I dont think that Joela was asking us to convince HIM not to stray. It was something that he was noticing (in other people?) and asked how we'd deal with it.
Pretty much, though I found the assumption -- and the replies -- enlightening and filed away as useful techniques.
I stick with my imagination. Less damage that way.
Pretty much how I deal with temptation though reinforced -- and my spouse knows this -- by my code that what one does, the other can, too, if so inclined.
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Why make judgments and cast aspersions about other people's relationships? I know many couples who have 'open' marriages. They are very happy. The divorce rate among 'swingers' are extremely low, and they are some of teh most non judgmental people I have ever met.
If this works for him and his wife then so be it.
I make 'judgments', if that's what we're going to call offering my opinion, because we were asked what we bnelive about something and invited into a duiscussion. I didn't realize I had to satisfay anyone's expectations for what and how to post. If we were all sitting at a tables, nurding a Dew and having this conversation, nothing said thus far would be out of line. ANd it's be up to the OP to remind us we're off topic.
An open marriage isn't a marriage. People can seem happier in open marriages bcause they aren't enduring the rigors of actual mariage, which is making a promise and keeping it./ If your marriage is open, there's a lot about marriage you're missing. Sure, getting to play the field while still being married probably does make some people 'happy' in the sense that the common struggles of a faithful, covenant marriage dont weigh down your other troubles. But if marriage is choosing, and marriage is commitment, then agreeing to not really be committed to one another isn't really marriage.
I get that soe won't agree. That's why it's a conversation. I ofer an opinion to the OP, and on posts made in the conversation. I don't ask "why would you bother saying an open marriage might be right for someone?" See the difference?
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My first girlfriend, my ex-wife, and my first serious girlfriend after my divorce all cheated on me. Its not something I want to inflict on someone else.
We should compare notes sometime. Maybe that we've been seeing the same people.
Ewww... nevermind, I don't want to think about it.
And Moorluck put it best, Honesty is key. I can say, without a doubt, that the three serious relationships I've had ended with them cheating on me--all because they weren't honest with me from the beginning.
on temptation to wander; if you begin to feel interested in someone else; call your spouse; call a friend; their your support network; play an internet game; anything; do go to places that is likely to happen; take your spouse on trips with you; tell her you miss your spouse a lot and you will; basically, build up your love for your spouse and that will build your resistance to wandering. It could be as simple as not meeeting their eyes.
Get to the place that Moorluck stated and I too feel. Make your spouse the center of you life; go shopping for a little gift for her; or email her a love letter, basically; love your wife. Tried to use the word spouse a lot so anyone can apply this to there partner; but I am a guy and I have a wife; so that is my default.
If you ask yourself; "what did I do to show my wife that I love her today" and you have some good answers; I doubt you will have any issues; but if you cant answer that; you have a duty; so go do something to show your wife you love her and do it every day. EVERY DAY. Be the spouse you would want to be married to.
Kudos, Valegrim
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Agre fully with Eben: love is a decision. A commitment. Wer all know people who have said "I love x" and we thought - that is not real and that won't last. You throw yourself away too often, and when real love finds you, you'll know. We all go through those experiences where we learn that what we thought was love, and what we thought wouldn't last, wasn't and didn't. Ergo, different people are wrong about love and commitment at different times in their lives. Some people never do get it right. Sometimes, you stay married on principle, and forget that being in love is more than romance and nookie - it's hard work. So even when some people decide to stay "for love", they forget love is a decision. An action verb.
I believe the saem applies to marriage is a decision. If you go into marriage okay with cheating, you're not really deciding are you? Hey, if I can get a little strange and she does, too, then that's okay. We're still..erm..committed to each other. Except when we don't want to be.
I think culturally we should be fighting so that marriage is something more. Not legally - I'd like to see the government more out of family. I'd like to see DHS slimmed down to an organization that always matters instead, of frequently makes things harder.
Love (and marriage) is a convenant: a commitment so strong that even if she doesn't keep her end of the deal, I'll keep mine. If our standard is below that, we should explore why.
This may not be the best deterrent for most, however; sex with my wife is so amazing that I know other women will not compare to her, therefore, it's just not worth it. I know most men probably can't go on that but meh, just be faithful, it's not that hard, you made an OATH to keep it in your pants.
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Why make judgments and cast aspersions about other people's relationships? I know many couples who have 'open' marriages. They are very happy. The divorce rate among 'swingers' are extremely low, and they are some of teh most non judgmental people I have ever met.
If this works for him and his wife then so be it.I make 'judgments', if that's what we're going to call offering my opinion, because we were asked what we bnelive about something and invited into a duiscussion. I didn't realize I had to satisfay anyone's expectations for what and how to post. If we were all sitting at a tables, nurding a Dew and having this conversation, nothing said thus far would be out of line. ANd it's be up to the OP to remind us we're off topic.
An open marriage isn't a marriage. People can seem happier in open marriages bcause they aren't enduring the rigors of actual mariage, which is making a promise and keeping it./ If your marriage is open, there's a lot about marriage you're missing. Sure, getting to play the field while still being married probably does make some people 'happy' in the sense that the common struggles of a faithful, covenant marriage dont weigh down your other troubles. But if marriage is choosing, and marriage is commitment, then agreeing to not really be committed to one another isn't really marriage.
I get that soe won't agree. That's why it's a conversation. I ofer an opinion to the OP, and on posts made in the conversation. I don't ask "why would you bother saying an open marriage might be right for someone?" See the difference?
And you feel the need to harp on my wife why?
I can say, from being on the other end of a question on an "open" marriage, that you need to be very careful how you broach the subject. I know it works for others, but it was obvious when my husband was asking me that it would just be for him.
As you can imagine that didn't go over well.
Marriage is tough, without a doubt, but we make a promise to care for each other in "sickness and health." I know I'm not the same person he married, but ongoing cancer treatment (probably permanent -- I'm one of the "lucky" ones) means that I'm not as sexual as I was. And I can't help that!
(sigh) I apologize for the bitterness....
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I can say, from being on the other end of a question on an "open" marriage, that you need to be very careful how you broach the subject. I know it works for others, but it was obvious when my husband was asking me that it would just be for him.
As you can imagine that didn't go over well.
Marriage is tough, without a doubt, but we make a promise to care for each other in "sickness and health." I know I'm not the same person he married, but ongoing cancer treatment (probably permanent -- I'm one of the "lucky" ones) means that I'm not as sexual as I was. And I can't help that!
(sigh) I apologize for the bitterness....
No apologies needed, or warranted. I'm sorry you've had to deal with that.
An open marriage isn't a marriage.
... in your opinion.
Is who you sleep with the sum total of what your marriage means?
Mine's a little more complex than that, anyway.
Why make judgments and cast aspersions about other people's relationships? I know many couples who have 'open' marriages. They are very happy. The divorce rate among 'swingers' are extremely low, and they are some of teh most non judgmental people I have ever met.
If this works for him and his wife then so be it.I make 'judgments', if that's what we're going to call offering my opinion, because we were asked what we bnelive about something and invited into a duiscussion. I didn't realize I had to satisfay anyone's expectations for what and how to post. If we were all sitting at a tables, nurding a Dew and having this conversation, nothing said thus far would be out of line. ANd it's be up to the OP to remind us we're off topic.
An open marriage isn't a marriage. People can seem happier in open marriages bcause they aren't enduring the rigors of actual mariage, which is making a promise and keeping it./ If your marriage is open, there's a lot about marriage you're missing. Sure, getting to play the field while still being married probably does make some people 'happy' in the sense that the common struggles of a faithful, covenant marriage dont weigh down your other troubles. But if marriage is choosing, and marriage is commitment, then agreeing to not really be committed to one another isn't really marriage.
I get that soe won't agree. That's why it's a conversation. I ofer an opinion to the OP, and on posts made in the conversation. I don't ask "why would you bother saying an open marriage might be right for someone?" See the difference?
So in your opinion an open marriage isn't real, they can't possibly be truly in love. All because they explore fantasies together? Wow...I wasn't saying your opinion was wrong to begin with, or that you were not allowed to have one, I very civilly asked you why you felt the need to judge...now I know, you are simply a judgmental person.
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Traveling for work is hard. I travel about 2 times a month on average about 100 dyas of the year is spent traveling. it is tough on a relationship no doubt. You get lonely I know I do at times.
I have never cheated on my wife and I have been at this for a few years now.
I think what has kept me on the straight and narrow is keeping myself out of tempting situations. I go out and have drinks and entertain clients and bosses.
But I also make time for my wife, I try to be back to my room at night and call her.
If you feel that lonely feeling which happens while on the road. Let the significant other know it and that you are thinking of them. Another key also is to make the most of the time you have together. I think other people have mentioned it previously but make time for one another reconnect with them when you get back even if it is for a little bit flowers are a nice bit but so is a love note, you don't need to be a poet or a a novelist just tell them how you feel about them.
I think everyone has given you some of their advice and you"ll need to find what works best for you. Honesty is always a good policy but also just keep aware of temptation and try to avoid those sort of theings. You know what will tempt you the most and try to steer clear of it.
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An open marriage isn't a marriage.... in your opinion.
Is who you sleep with the sum total of what your marriage means?
Mine's a little more complex than that, anyway.
Yours and ours both.
I would assume that you hold marriage about like we do, it's far too complex and varied for anyone to pass casual judgement upon it.
(Addressed in general.)A marriage is a living unique thing, I have yet to see two of them alike. Some are more sexual than others. Others still may seem cold to a strangers eye, but regardless of what we may think, to say that if your ideas of a marriage are not met by another then it's not a real marriage is just plain BS.
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Once again, the Man in Black said it best:
I keep a close watch on this heart of mine
I keep my eyes wide open all the time.
I keep the ends out for the tie that binds
Because you're mine,
I walk the line
I find it very, very easy to be true
I find myself alone when each day is through
Yes, I'll admit I'm a fool for you
Because you're mine,
I walk the line
As sure as night is dark and day is light
I keep you on my mind both day and night
And happiness I've known proves that it's right
Because you're mine,
I walk the line
You've got a way to keep me on your side
You give me cause for love that I can't hide
For you I know I'd even try to turn the tide
Because you're mine,
I walk the line
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An open marriage isn't a marriage.... in your opinion.
Is who you sleep with the sum total of what your marriage means?
Mine's a little more complex than that, anyway.
Yours and ours both.
I would assume that you hold marriage about like we do, it's far too complex and varied for anyone to pass casual judgement upon it.
(Addressed in general.)A marriage is a living unique thing, I have yet to see two of them alike. Some are more sexual than others. Others still may seem cold to a strangers eye, but regardless of what we may think, to say that if your ideas of a marriage are not met by another then it's not a real marriage is just plain BS.
Best definition of a marriage I've run into is this:
If each partner had been asked, if their partner were to be suddenly disabled for life, would they consider themselves committed to life-long financial and moral support of that partner, and the answer of both of them would have been “Yes”, then they are living together as husband and wife.
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An open marriage isn't a marriage.... in your opinion.
Is who you sleep with the sum total of what your marriage means?
Mine's a little more complex than that, anyway.
Yours and ours both.
I would assume that you hold marriage about like we do, it's far too complex and varied for anyone to pass casual judgement upon it.
(Addressed in general.)A marriage is a living unique thing, I have yet to see two of them alike. Some are more sexual than others. Others still may seem cold to a strangers eye, but regardless of what we may think, to say that if your ideas of a marriage are not met by another then it's not a real marriage is just plain BS.
Best definition of a marriage I've run into is this:
If each partner had been asked, if their partner were to be suddenly disabled for life, would they consider themselves committed to life-long financial and moral support of that partner, and the answer of both of them would have been “Yes”, then they are living together as husband and wife.
A great definition.
Though I think girls are awesome, I simply am not the sort of person who cheats, even when given the chance. And I have been given the chance, on occasion.
I am lucky in that an alarm goes off in me that stops me from doing really bad things. I think that alarm has more authority over me, and might be a little louder in me than it is in many other people, as I do indeed have friends and associates who have cheated. I don't know how the alarm got there, but I consider myself very fortunate to have it. I think it's because I was cheated on a few times during my formative dating years.
As I get older, and I see my attractiveness to the opposite sex sort of waning, I do feel a little more pressured to live out some sort of extended youth, and that does mean I look at girls a bit more. But in addition to the mentioned alarm, I also am very sympathetic, so just think of my wife's feelings, and the problem is nullified.
The atomic bomb of fixing these stray thoughts is my little boy, who is the love of my life (yes, along with my wife). My father was never around, so I have become the opposite: a very devoted father. I love him more than I can express. I would never do anything stupid to take his family away from him, as mine was taken from me.
An open marriage isn't a marriage.... in your opinion.
Is who you sleep with the sum total of what your marriage means?
Mine's a little more complex than that, anyway.
Yours and ours both.
I would assume that you hold marriage about like we do, it's far too complex and varied for anyone to pass casual judgement upon it.
Yup.
My marriage isn't open, as it happens -- but I'll be the first to admit that not every marriage has to look like mine to be a real marriage. (And, really, monogamy wasn't even in our vows despite it being our plan at this point.)
Of course, I also think people that don't intend to have children are "really married" and that same-sex couples can be "really married" even though we're a traditional child-producing couple.
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An open marriage isn't a marriage.... in your opinion.
Is who you sleep with the sum total of what your marriage means?
Mine's a little more complex than that, anyway.
Yours and ours both.
I would assume that you hold marriage about like we do, it's far too complex and varied for anyone to pass casual judgement upon it.
Yup.
My marriage isn't open, as it happens -- but I'll be the first to admit that not every marriage has to look like mine to be a real marriage. (And, really, monogamy wasn't even in our vows despite it being our plan at this point.)
Of course, I also think people that don't intend to have children are "really married" and that same-sex couples can be "really married" even though we're a traditional child-producing couple.
Agreed on every point.
(Forgive me if I gave the impression that I was thinking that you and your wife were "open", that was not my intent.) :)
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I can say, from being on the other end of a question on an "open" marriage, that you need to be very careful how you broach the subject. I know it works for others, but it was obvious when my husband was asking me that it would just be for him.
As you can imagine that didn't go over well.
Marriage is tough, without a doubt, but we make a promise to care for each other in "sickness and health." I know I'm not the same person he married, but ongoing cancer treatment (probably permanent -- I'm one of the "lucky" ones) means that I'm not as sexual as I was. And I can't help that!
(sigh) I apologize for the bitterness....
You have my sympathies.
Old joke from a friend of mine. "I feel I should be allowed to bring home any woman I want, and I extend to my wife the same courtesy."
This is normally followed by said wife beating my friend ;-) (Both of them, jokes aside, are monogamous)
BTW an open marriage is very much a marriage. Being married does not have to be defined by exclusivity,
while I don't believe that any one person can be truly devoted to multiple partners, I strongly believe that you can be perfectly happy sleeping with multiple partners,
as long as it is an understood concept in the marriage there is NOTHING wrong with swinging
this is coming from someone who strongly prefers monogamy within my own life so I am not biased towards swinging
I just think that what/who people do in the bedroom is their business and as long as no one is getting hurt then who cares??? Seriously?? Self-righteous nutbags, thats who.
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I am increasingly traveling in my job and becoming aware of how easy it is for folks to stray from their marital vows. For those in similar situations, how do you keep yourself in check?
I took a VOW, a sacred oath. Honor, Duty, Dignity, the fact that I Love my wife. If for no other reason than as a example to my Children.
I do not expect others to see things as I do. Nor will I tell them they are wrong. This is however how I see them.
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An open marriage isn't a marriage.... in your opinion.
Is who you sleep with the sum total of what your marriage means?
Mine's a little more complex than that, anyway.
Yours and ours both.
I would assume that you hold marriage about like we do, it's far too complex and varied for anyone to pass casual judgement upon it.
(Addressed in general.)A marriage is a living unique thing, I have yet to see two of them alike. Some are more sexual than others. Others still may seem cold to a strangers eye, but regardless of what we may think, to say that if your ideas of a marriage are not met by another then it's not a real marriage is just plain BS.
"What works, works."
To claim otherwise is an expression of ignorance. I've met a lot of couples and it seems like each one has their own unique arrangement of responsibilities, obligations, and promises. The only thing that is universal is the ones that work are built with a lot of trust and understanding. Without those two things there is no marriage, pretty much everything else is optional or fringe.
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Conceptually, I keep myself from cheating by thinking about all the people, close to me, that I really respected, that I lost all respect for after finding out they were cheating on their wives. I've had close family, best friends, personal heroes get found out. I refuse to be That Guy that lost his family, his job, everything he ever cared about and fought for over a piece of strange.
Practically, you avoid situations where it's easy. Do not go to the hotel bar, etc. If you find yourself in a situation where there's somebody obviously interested in sleeping with you (you know what I mean, heavy flirtation, etc.) then GET OUT RIGHT AWAY. Go somewhere else. If you can't leave, make yourself the biggest dorkwad on earth. Tell her all about how your 7th level paladin is the coolest thing evar or some such because for most women, telling them you play D&D is about like telling them you have herpes. If she isn't the kind of woman that would get turned off by that you're in deep because she's probably the kind of woman you'd actually like anyways. If that happens you have no choice but to go full Steve Urkel. Start drooling on yourself or whatever you have to do to make yourself as unattractive as possible. If she's atheist you gotta be Jehovah's Witness, if she's Christian you gotta be Wiccan. If she's Republican you talk about how you're a member of PETA and the ACLU and want to legalize pot and ban guns. If she's Democrat you act like a birther. Get the idea? BTW this all sounds funny but I am deadly serious.
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Conceptually, I keep myself from cheating by thinking about all the people, close to me, that I really respected, that I lost all respect for after finding out they were cheating on their wives. I've had close family, best friends, personal heroes get found out. I refuse to be That Guy that lost his family, his job, everything he ever cared about and fought for over a piece of strange.
Practically, you avoid situations where it's easy. Do not go to the hotel bar, etc. If you find yourself in a situation where there's somebody obviously interested in sleeping with you (you know what I mean, heavy flirtation, etc.) then GET OUT RIGHT AWAY. Go somewhere else. If you can't leave, make yourself the biggest dorkwad on earth. Tell her all about how your 7th level paladin is the coolest thing evar or some such because for most women, telling them you play D&D is about like telling them you have herpes. If she isn't the kind of woman that would get turned off by that you're in deep because she's probably the kind of woman you'd actually like anyways. If that happens you have no choice but to go full Steve Urkel. Start drooling on yourself or whatever you have to do to make yourself as unattractive as possible. If she's atheist you gotta be Jehovah's Witness, if she's Christian you gotta be Wiccan. If she's Republican you talk about how you're a member of PETA and the ACLU and want to legalize pot and ban guns. If she's Democrat you act like a birther. Get the idea? BTW this all sounds funny but I am deadly serious.
Or, you could just say "Not Interested". If you ain't interested, honesty doesn't hurt.
Or, you could just say "Not Interested". If you ain't interested, honesty doesn't hurt.
I've had that one backfire on me... she took it as a challenge.
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Or, you could just say "Not Interested". If you ain't interested, honesty doesn't hurt.
Yeah, but I've seen women/girls that would see that as a challenge. Ask Solnes about the girl that tried to get my engine revving while I was taking a nap. I woke up and tossed the little tramp across the room, it was the closest I've ever been to hitting a member of the fairer sex.
I am increasingly traveling in my job and becoming aware of how easy it is for folks to stray from their marital vows. For those in similar situations, how do you keep yourself in check?
Honor, and the love of a good woman.
It can be really difficult not to stray, and saying otherwise would be a lie. Remind yourself of how much you love the person, call them, write them an email. Make time for more couples time when you're back home.
If it's a prevalent thing, and you think about it a lot, you've got some evaluating to do. Maybe counceling, maybe not. You know what's going on in your head and heart.
Don't make a mountain out of a molehill. Just because you have the urge to go out and get laid (normal for our species) doesn't mean that you're going to.
It's a big issue.
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This has been the best technique so far for me. Sometimes hard, though, when clients hint interest.
I think what has kept me on the straight and narrow is keeping myself out of tempting situations. I go out and have drinks and entertain clients and bosses.
It is hard especially when it is a client who has interest it is especially hard you don't want to piss them off. But sometimes you can slip away and do your best to avoid being alone with them try to keep others with you and go out to dinner in groups that way when the group splits up it is not offensive to call it an evening with the rest of the group.
When that fails I like Charlie's idea of telling them about your hobby.
I can say, from being on the other end of a question on an "open" marriage, that you need to be very careful how you broach the subject. I know it works for others, but it was obvious when my husband was asking me that it would just be for him.
As you can imagine that didn't go over well.
Marriage is tough, without a doubt, but we make a promise to care for each other in "sickness and health." I know I'm not the same person he married, but ongoing cancer treatment (probably permanent -- I'm one of the "lucky" ones) means that I'm not as sexual as I was. And I can't help that!
(sigh) I apologize for the bitterness....
My third wife died of cancer, and my SO is a cancer survivor. Cancer treatment can definitely be a game changer. I don't think most people realize how permanently life changing and disabling some cancer treatments can be, but being faithful doesn't just mean being faithful when things are good.
Maybe it's just how I'm wired, but I can't imagine how I could live with myself if I had been anything but faithful when things got really tough.
I have my share of regrets in my life, but at least I can look in the mirror and know that I got that part right.
I wish you both the best.
For me personally, staying true to my wife has never been an issue. I've always lived by the addage, it's ok to window shop, but NEVER, EVER TOUCH THE MERCHANDISE!!
HAHA! I like this. :P
No apologies needed, or warranted. I'm sorry you've had to deal with that.I can say, from being on the other end of a question on an "open" marriage, that you need to be very careful how you broach the subject. I know it works for others, but it was obvious when my husband was asking me that it would just be for him.
As you can imagine that didn't go over well.
Marriage is tough, without a doubt, but we make a promise to care for each other in "sickness and health." I know I'm not the same person he married, but ongoing cancer treatment (probably permanent -- I'm one of the "lucky" ones) means that I'm not as sexual as I was. And I can't help that!
(sigh) I apologize for the bitterness....
+1 to that. My Mom had breast cancer, but she was lucky enough to have it caught early. My Step mom died from throat cancer that had spread. I for one wish you the best. My thoughts and prayers are with you.
For me personally, staying true to my wife has never been an issue. I've always lived by the addage, it's ok to window shop, but NEVER, EVER TOUCH THE MERCHANDISE!!HAHA! I like this. :P
~grins~ Me too.
sex with my wife is so amazing
Dude we all agree!
(Kidding, kidding...:p )
Consider discussing it with your wife. Maybe an open marriage is right for you.If youre marriage is 'open', it's a piece of paper. If your marriage is a partnership, and you promised on your wedding day to have no other, than the kind of man you want to be does not include an open marriage.
I'm sorry, Steven, but I have to vehemently disagree with you on this.
An open relationship/marriage is just as valid as as a closed one.
Your vows may say that you do not get to have feelings with anyone else. Mine do not.
Personally, and I know this is a relatively unpopular opinion, I believe that monogamy has a higher tendency to failure due to its contention with human biology. I would not enter into a relationship that is purely monogamous, as I believe that a person who is willing to do so is, at their core, lying to themselves about their feelings and desires.
It's not MY bag, but i get where you are coming from Aionic.
I gave up getting all judgmental of 'cheaters' a long time ago, because I just don't/can't know what their situation is or might be...
People are always going to do what they gotta do. I just gotta say no :p
It's not MY bag, but i get where you are coming from Aionic.
I gave up getting all judgmental of 'cheaters' a long time ago, because I just don't/can't know what their situation is or might be...
People are always going to do what they gotta do. I just gotta say no :p
For the record: It's not cheating if it's not against the rules. =)
For the record: It's not cheating if it's not against the rules. =)
Thats what my 'polyamorous' friends tell me, I guess I can't dispute the logic.