1) 12 level.
2) Invisible creatures do not inherently sneak attack, he could have made a custom monster that could sneak attack without rogue levels.
Also, Your typing seems messier than normal, are you the same Chaoskin?
See the text immediately after your bolded sections for confirmation of Kierato's ruling on #1.
12th level. Class abilities do not stack unless you get it from two classes that both have it. Rogue barbarians are one of the very few cases where that happens so it stacks.
Invisible creatures sneak attack because they deny most creatures their dexterity bonus from AC by virtue of being invisible. You aren't denied your ac bonus vs invisible creatures, so you keep your dex bonus.
Keep in mind that the 4 level rule only applies to flanking. A 20th level Rogue with improved invisibility still can't sneak attack a 2nd level barbarian by surprising him or being invisible.
so any Invisible creatures even Invisible chars get sneak attack?
The general rule is that invisible creatures (including characters) deny their opponents their dexterity bonus to AC.
When rogues (including PC rogues) deny their opponents their dexterity to armor class, they get a sneak attack and add their sneak attack damage to all attacks that round. This is one of the way rogues sneak attack, but not the only way.
A second level barbarian keeps their dexterity bonus to AC even if their opponent is hidden, invisible, or surprises them. Since the barbarian still has his dex bonus, there is no sneak attack.
Any character (invisible or otherwise) only gets to add Sneak Attack dice if they have a class or racial ability that grants them Sneak Attack. Just being invisible doesn't give you Sneak Attack damage.
They do, however, attack with the bonuses from being non-detectable. Just no bonus damage dice.
I am curious how your GM decided that Sneak Attack dice were relevant, and on what scale they were granted. If your GM still holds that all invisible creatures get extra sneak attack dice, then you had better get a method of turning invisible right away. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Oh.. right.. the intellect devourer shouldn't have sneak attack as an ability. that's a special attack of rogues and assassins. Just like not everything get's weapon specialization to deal damage or ranger bonuses against all goblins not everything deals extra d6's on the sneak attack
Oh.. right.. the intellect devourer shouldn't have sneak attack as an ability. that's a special attack of rogues and assassins. Just like not everything get's weapon specialization to deal damage or ranger bonuses against all goblins not everything deals extra d6's on the sneak attackso only way to Sneak Attack (invisible or otherwise) is to have Rogue class?
is there a other way to go thro Uncanny Dodge or Improved Uncanny Dodge w/o being Rogue?
Also, rule 0.
Also, rule 0.i dont want to be a a** what the hell is rule 0?
It means house rules.
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Also, rule 0.i dont want to be a a** what the hell is rule 0?
No worries. It is this:
The Most Important Rule
The rules in this book are here to help you breathe life into your characters and the world they explore. While they are designed to make your game easy and exciting, you might find that some of them do not suit the style of play that your gaming group enjoys. Remember that these rules are yours. You can change them to fit your needs. Most Game Masters have a number of “house rules” that they use in their games. The Game Master and players should always discuss any rules changes to make sure that everyone understands how the game will be played. Although the Game Master is the final arbiter of the rules, the Pathfinder RPG is a shared experience, and all of the players should contribute their thoughts when the rules are in doubt.
In 3.x I believe that it was marked as Rule 0, but in PF it is just "The Most Important Rule".
Oh.. right.. the intellect devourer shouldn't have sneak attack as an ability. that's a special attack of rogues and assassins. Just like not everything get's weapon specialization to deal damage or ranger bonuses against all goblins not everything deals extra d6's on the sneak attackso only way to Sneak Attack (invisible or otherwise) is to have Rogue class?
is there a other way to go thro Uncanny Dodge or Improved Uncanny Dodge w/o being Rogue?
Yes.
A non rogue attacks from invisibility. He gains a
1) +2 to the attack roll
2) the target is denied their dexterity bonus to ac unless they have uncanny dodge.
A rogue attacks from invisibility. He gains
1) +2 to the attack roll
2) the target is denied their dexterity bonus to ac unless they have uncanny dodge.
3) Sneak attack dice damage. You have to be a rogue or an assassin to get this.