Brave and Tough? Surely this is only Brave!

[Sorceror]

Why exactly is a special bonus to Fortitude given at 2nd level? There's no indication that this is any different to an increase in the base save. Looking at the table, it means that at 6th and 18th levels, Fort increases by 2 (one for Brave and Tough, one for base save).

It would make more sense if the Tough part of Brave and Tough was conditional; e.g., a bonus to Fortitude to save against bleeding, death effects, etc.

I also thought that perhaps there should be a bonus dodge AC against gunshots; perhaps this could replace Tough?

[aphazia]

I'm also at a loss as to why "Brave and Tough" is a class feature as opposed to being factored directly into the saves.

My best guess is that since this is a 'fighter archetype' that they are keeping the exact same table for fighter progression as far as BAB and Saves. If that's the case, this is a great example as to why they need to ditch this 'archetype' thing and make it it's own class.

[Kierato]

Some feats and abilities require a base fort save, which this would not be.

[Sorceror]

Kierato wrote:

Some feats and abilities require a base fort save, which this would not be.

It's not in the Fort Save column but it can be argued that should be: the bonus is unconditional and provided at specific levels of the class. In terms of character advancement, it is functionally the same as a base save increase.

I'd rather see something like Rapid Reload as an automatic feat than Brave and Tough.

[Kierato]

I agree that it can be argued that it should be in the fort save column, but since it isn't, it is not a base save bonus.
Also, I too would like to see Rapid Reload as an automatic feat rather than Brave and Tough.

[Tim4488]

Not to mention as it stands saves have two progressions, good and bad. There's a lot of good reasons from formatting and compatibility standpoints to use class features for little bonuses like that instead of making a "medium" or "bad except these two or three levels" progression. 3.5 Scout did something similar IIRC.

[Kierato]

Tim4488 wrote:

Not to mention as it stands saves have two progressions, good and bad. There's a lot of good reasons from formatting and compatibility standpoints to use class features for little bonuses like that instead of making a "medium" or "bad except these two or three levels" progression. 3.5 Scout did something similar IIRC.

Yep, The Scout's Battle Fortitude and the Swashbuckler's Grace.