it will retain all of its previous attacks. So lets assume it is a Gorilla with 2 slam attacks, a Half-Dragon Gorilla would then have 2 claws 2 slams and a bite attack.
The tricky thing here, and one to remember. Is that its slam attacks is made using the arms. Therefore i cannot use both the claws and slam attacks of the same arm in one full attack action. It could use 2 slams, 1 slam 1 claw, or 2 claw attack. And ofcourse a bite to all of those 3 full attack actions.
Imagine it like he can choose to hit with a curled up fist, or open his hand and use the claws. He cant have an open hand for claws, while also using a fist.
Hope that answers the question.
The tricky thing here, and one to remember. Is that its slam attacks is made using the arms.
Really? Gelatinous Cubes are sad then, as they have no arms.
Slam attacks are not associated by default with any particular limb.
while that is true in general. That slam attacks are not associated with a particular limb, if you look at my example above, the half dragon gorilla, you will find that the gorilla uses its arms for those slam attacks, and would therefore not be able to use both the claws and the slams.
A half dragon gelatinus cube, while also impossible to make (ok i dont know about dragon anatomy, but i highly doubt it then), would, if it actually had any arms to get the claw attacks from, be able to use both. As they would not take up the same limb. But as the cube couldnt qwalify for the claw attacks, i see no problem with them not stacking, although i do admit that the assumption all slam attacks are made with the arms, is a false one.
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you are correct actually, it is possible to add the claws to the feet, though it would look kinda dumb making attacks with everything, as that leaves no legs to stand on. I am pretty sure its not against the rules, but i would personally consider it wery cheezy, and a borderline rulebreak. So my personal GM ruling would be absolutely not possible, but that might just be me. The half dragon template is crazy enough without needing buffs.
it is in the rules.
take the example of a two-weapon fighter.
He can attack with his sword and dagger, or the claws, no both.
ITs been discussed is many threads, in that form.
in the case of the gelantious cube, its essentially an amoeba and uses psuedo pods for its slam attacks.
it is in the rules.
take the example of a two-weapon fighter.
He can attack with his sword and dagger, or the claws, no both.
ITs been discussed is many threads, in that form.
in the case of the gelantious cube, its essentially an amoeba and uses psuedo pods for its slam attacks.
I think the main contention is whether slams and claws naturally use the creature's arms, if present. I'd personally say they do - for example, when describing a gorilla I would tell my players that it swings its big monkey arms to pummel them into man-paste. And I've always envisioned, say, a half-dragon human slashing with hand-claws. A quick perusal of the PRD, however, doesn't specify such when it discusses natural attacks.
My inclination is to say that there isn't a hard rule on the subject - go with what makes sense in each individual case.
hehe reefwood, touche on that last part. as it dosnt say gains the attacks, i would use that to rule it loses its previous natural attacks, and the problem is solved.
But to the question of adding claws to feet, yes it is possible, although very cheezy. An example of something doing that exact thing would be the eidolon, that with 1 pair of legs can attack with claws on them. Still cheezy though.
"Claw" attacks on the feet (or rather, hind limbs) are very specifically "rake" attacks. Slam attacks are not defined, sadly, in the Pathfinder Bestiary. However, the 3.5 SRD provides this definition:
"Slap or Slam
The creature batters opponents with an appendage, dealing bludgeoning damage."
Basically, you club something with an arm or similar appendage (though not a tentacle, wing or tail, as those have their own attack types). When the creature has the template added, it now has 2 claw attacks which, conveniently, deal bludgeoning and slashing damage. So your slam, which was dealing bludgeoning only now deals bludgeoning and slashing, without changing the damage type. You would still technically retain the slam attack though, as has been mentioned, it is in the same appendage as the claw attack, so you could not use both the slam attack and the claw attack. For all intents and purposes, the new claw attacks "upgrade" the slam attack, since there is no reason not to use it over the slam attack (same attack bonus, same base damage, better damage types). The only reason I can see for a creature wanting to retain a slam attack over a claw attack is if certain feats are invested into slam attacks (weapon focus, etc.).
if it is true that all claw attacks on hind limbs are rake attacks, can you plz explain why a biped eidolon can have only one pair of legs, and have regular claw attacks on them? while i do agree its dumb, i have seen nothing in the rules preventing this.
"Claw" attacks on the feet (or rather, hind limbs) are very specifically "rake" attacks. Slam attacks are not defined, sadly, in the Pathfinder Bestiary. However, the 3.5 SRD provides this definition:
"Slap or Slam
The creature batters opponents with an appendage, dealing bludgeoning damage."Basically, you club something with an arm or similar appendage (though not a tentacle, wing or tail, as those have their own attack types). When the creature has the template added, it now has 2 claw attacks which, conveniently, deal bludgeoning and slashing damage. So your slam, which was dealing bludgeoning only now deals bludgeoning and slashing, without changing the damage type. You would still technically retain the slam attack though, as has been mentioned, it is in the same appendage as the claw attack, so you could not use both the slam attack and the claw attack. For all intents and purposes, the new claw attacks "upgrade" the slam attack, since there is no reason not to use it over the slam attack (same attack bonus, same base damage, better damage types). The only reason I can see for a creature wanting to retain a slam attack over a claw attack is if certain feats are invested into slam attacks (weapon focus, etc.).
Listen to the winged gorilla! If anyone knows about apes crossed with dragons, he would!