The Summoner and the Mirror of Opposition


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Situation Qalaus the summoner is investigating an area when he steps in front of a mirror of opposition. Suddenly, an opposite-aligned black-hearted duplicate of Qalaus steps out of the mirror next to him, and gains initiative.

Qalaus, who is no longer in front of the mirror, would like to summon his Eidolon.

Question What happens?

a) The Eidolon is considered part of Qalaus and not a separate creature, so both Qalaus and the evil Qalaus can summon independent, identical Eidolons.

b) The Eidolon is a separate entity, which was not reflected in the mirror of opposition. Just as the two summoners couldn't both gate in the same unique outsider, Qalaus can summon his critter, and the duplicate cannot.

c) The duplicate acts first, so has the option of summoning the Eidolon. If he does so, Qalaus cannot.

d) The two casters summon different aspects of the same mysterious outsider. The duplicate's Eidolon has the same base form, but different evolutions.

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Qalaus wrote:

Situation Qalaus the summoner is investigating an area when he steps in front of a mirror of opposition. Suddenly, an opposite-aligned black-hearted duplicate of Qalaus steps out of the mirror next to him, and gains initiative.

Qalaus, who is no longer in front of the mirror, would like to summon his Eidolon.

Question What happens?

a) The Eidolon is considered part of Qalaus and not a separate creature, so both Qalaus and the evil Qalaus can summon independent, identical Eidolons.

b) The Eidolon is a separate entity, which was not reflected in the mirror of opposition. Just as the two summoners couldn't both gate in the same unique outsider, Qalaus can summon his critter, and the duplicate cannot.

c) The duplicate acts first, so has the option of summoning the Eidolon. If he does so, Qalaus cannot.

d) The two casters summon different aspects of the same mysterious outsider. The duplicate's Eidolon has the same base form, but different evolutions.

My best answer would be a. If you want to look at it from a fluff point of view, would not the symbol on Qalaus' forehead be reversed as well, thus connect to a different aspect?


I'd say C.
Then the original summoner would need to cast control eidolon or whatever...

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I'd go with D. The evil twin summons an evil twin of the Eidolon. (Which, if the evil summoner/GM decides to use the same evolutions, is indistinquishable from A.)

Sovereign Court

Interesting...

I'd be tempted to wuss out and have the reflection use the Summon Monster Ability instead.

If pressed I'd say that the duplicate can summon the eidolon, but the eidolon would not be under his control. Eidolons aren't mind controlled they are loyal. Since the eidolon is the same alignment as the summoner this will likely result in the creation of an evil eidolon since the duplicate will summon it in front of the mirror. The duplicate eidolon would of course have the same evolutions, etc., only its alignment would be reversed.


I'd go with E.

E) Evil Qalas, being a magical construct built by the mirror, has all the powers needed to duplicate the real Qalas. This includes being able to build a second magical construct that duplicates Qalas's eidelon, an identical magical construct with a reversed summoner sigil. To observers, it appears that Evil Qalas summoned Evil Eidelon, but in reality the two are simply part of the mirror's power.


*peeps*

An Eidolon can't resemble a specific creature.. so by RAW it can't be a duplicate of the PC's own Eidolon.

-mwahaaa-

-runs!-

-S


The evil eidolon would have a goatee solving the not completely identical issue.


Selgard wrote:

*peeps*

An Eidolon can't resemble a specific creature.. so by RAW it can't be a duplicate of the PC's own Eidolon.

-mwahaaa-

-runs!-

-S

Evil Qalan's Evil Eidelon is not a real eidelon, it's a magic construct, and therefore can look exactly like the real eidelon. :) Since Evil Eidelon is not a real creature (it's a magical construct), the Eidelon isn't forbidden to look like it.

Scarab Sages

Evil Qalaus starts a summon, but forgot to 5 foot step away, thereby provoking an AoO. Original Qalaus shanks his twin in just the right spot that he knows he is vulnerable at. After the sting of the AoO, original Qalaus gets a full attack. Evil Qalaus in two or three attacks has taken enough damage that he cannot salvage the full round summon spell, and starts the real toe to toe battle down two or three wounds. At this point, it is merely a matter of attrition before Evil is vanquished.


Mojorat wrote:
The evil eidolon would have a goatee solving the not completely identical issue.

hahahah.. pure genius

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Mojorat wrote:
The evil eidolon would have a goatee solving the not completely identical issue.

Unless the original eidolon was already a goat. :)


But it wouldn't be identical, it would be a mirror so everything from the summoner symbol to body featured would be flipped. Most creatures are not perfectly semetrical, so it would be clear that it is not the same eidolon, which is the main reason the eidolon can't replicate a creatures appearance, no free disguise effect.

I vote A/E/D which are all functionally the same thing mechanically.

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