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a level 4 monk with at least 1 ki point can make ki strike. the wording of ki strike says that his unarmed attack are threated as magic weapon for bypassing magic DR.
When you read the defenition of incorporeal it says that "magic weapons" can harm the incorporeal creature by they are not talking about magic DR.
So can we say that the said monk can harm a ghost with his ki strike or i'm doin a wrong interpretation of the rules?
a level 4 monk with at least 1 ki point can make ki strike. the wording of ki strike says that his unarmed attack are threated as magic weapon for bypassing magic DR.
When you read the defenition of incorporeal it says that "magic weapons" can harm the incorporeal creature by they are not talking about magic DR.
So can we say that the said monk can harm a ghost with his ki strike or i'm doin a wrong interpretation of the rules?
No, it doesn't work that way.
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a level 4 monk with at least 1 ki point can make ki strike. the wording of ki strike says that his unarmed attack are threated as magic weapon for bypassing magic DR.
When you read the defenition of incorporeal it says that "magic weapons" can harm the incorporeal creature by they are not talking about magic DR.
So can we say that the said monk can harm a ghost with his ki strike or i'm doin a wrong interpretation of the rules?
From what I read, your interpretation of RAW appears true. A level 4+ monk with at least one point of ki should be able to act as a magic weapon against a incorporeal creature, dealing 1/2 damage (instead of dealing none).
From what I read, your interpretation of RAW appears true. A level 4+ monk with at least one point of ki should be able to act as a magic weapon against a incorporeal creature, dealing 1/2 damage (instead of dealing none).a level 4 monk with at least 1 ki point can make ki strike. the wording of ki strike says that his unarmed attack are threated as magic weapon for bypassing magic DR.
When you read the defenition of incorporeal it says that "magic weapons" can harm the incorporeal creature by they are not talking about magic DR.
So can we say that the said monk can harm a ghost with his ki strike or i'm doin a wrong interpretation of the rules?
I disagree. They are only considered magical weapons for the purpose of bypassing DR. Bypassing DR won't help you hit an incorpreal creature.
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I disagree. They are only considered magical weapons for the purpose of bypassing DR. Bypassing DR won't help you hit an incorpreal creature.From what I read, your interpretation of RAW appears true. A level 4+ monk with at least one point of ki should be able to act as a magic weapon against a incorporeal creature, dealing 1/2 damage (instead of dealing none).a level 4 monk with at least 1 ki point can make ki strike. the wording of ki strike says that his unarmed attack are threated as magic weapon for bypassing magic DR.
When you read the defenition of incorporeal it says that "magic weapons" can harm the incorporeal creature by they are not talking about magic DR.
So can we say that the said monk can harm a ghost with his ki strike or i'm doin a wrong interpretation of the rules?
This one needs to be FAQ'd to check RAI.
Incorporeal only states magic weapon, and not +something weapon. Thus anything considered a "Magic Weapon", no matter the pluses (which a monks Ki strike is pretty much a +0 magic weapon), can damage it.
I believe that RAI is to allow it to work and only a very restrictive reading of RAW will not allow it.
It's more of a miss chance, right?
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if you look at the progression of Ki Strike it moves along: magic, lawful, adamantine.
effectively everyone in the party that can effect something with dr/magic can ALSO effect the the incorporeal creature (of those characters that have a magic weapon of course)
the purpose of this ki ability, functionally is to keep the monk on pace with the rest of the party's abilities.
now if this was a special manuver/feat, like medusa's wrath or something it would be a technique, where by the monk has learned to bypass a DR.
But in this case the spirit of the power (and the idea behind ki and the simple fact that the ability IS mechanically limited), is that KI, transforms the monks physical attack to become a magical attack, it does not change the "type" of damage done (meaning it is still blunt damage) but it becomes a magic weapon. (fist, foot, monk's tongue whatever)
I believe the purpose and spirit behind this was to reduce wording (rather than type what i did) and what they said was "for the purposes of bypassing damage reduction" but they should have included the "but not limited to" phrase.
I beleive it is intended as an 'example' of why you would want to use this power and not a limitation of the power.
Every other magical weapon works to effect incorporeal creatures, why would we have a different mechanic for the monks (temporary) magic fist?
if you look at the progression of Ki Strike it moves along: magic, lawful, adamantine.
effectively everyone in the party that can effect something with dr/magic can ALSO effect the the incorporeal creature (of those characters that have a magic weapon of course)
the purpose of this ki ability, functionally is to keep the monk on pace with the rest of the party's abilities.
now if this was a special manuver/feat, like medusa's wrath or something it would be a technique, where by the monk has learned to bypass a DR.
But in this case the spirit of the power (and the idea behind ki and the simple fact that the ability IS mechanically limited), is that KI, transforms the monks physical attack to become a magical attack, it does not change the "type" of damage done (meaning it is still blunt damage) but it becomes a magic weapon. (fist, foot, monk's tongue whatever)
I believe the purpose and spirit behind this was to reduce wording (rather than type what i did) and what they said was "for the purposes of bypassing damage reduction" but they should have included the "but not limited to" phrase.
I beleive it is intended as an 'example' of why you would want to use this power and not a limitation of the power.
Every other magical weapon works to effect incorporeal creatures, why would we have a different mechanic for the monks (temporary) magic fist?
Amulet of Mighty Fists with Ghost Touch, or just +1.
I don't think the monks abilities are supposed to be "never have to spend cash" just becasue they use their fists.
well they dont have to buy adamantite weapons or lawful ones, do they?
suppose they could just get a +1 kama too...
i never really thought about it, because hand to hand is so much better for the monk, but maybe the is the purpose to monks having weapons at all.
do you think a monk would have a 50% to trip a ghost with a +1 kama?
ha ha! that would be so funny! "i tripped the ghost"