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On page 147 of the CRB it explains the rule for the composite longbow, and I still have no idea what it means.
Everything I've seen with characters online, level 1, starting with a regular composite longbow, use their full strength modifier added to damage. However the wording on the CRB makes it seem like if you have a +3 Str Composite Longbow, you need a 3+ str modifier to use it, and can use 3 of your str modifier and add to damage. I have no idea though because the wording is strange and there is conflicting information on the internet.
Thanks.
I've wondered about this myself. Most people I've played with are of the mind that as long as you have the minimum strength required to use the bow without penalty, then you can add all of your strength bonus to the damage (the attack roll is still Dex-based). However, that doesn't entirely make sense to me, because bows have a maximum draw, beyond which they will break. The maximum speed at which an arrow can be fired is based upon the maximum draw of the bow, not upon the maximum strength of the archer.
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Actually, I just reread the item description in the equipment chapter in the core rulebook pg. 147, and it states thusly: "A composite longbow can be made with a high strength rating to take advantage of an above-average Strength score; this feature allows you to add your Strength bonus to damage, up to the maximum bonus indicated for the bow."
A composite bow is made for a specific STR rating. The default is 10-11, or +0, which costs 100 gp. if you have a lesser STR rating, you deduct that from the damage, and take -2 on attacks. If you have a higher rating, you can only add it if the bow is made for this rating. If you have STR 18 (+4), but the bow is made for STR 17 (+3), you won´t get more than damage +3. If you have a lower STR (say, 15), you would only get +2 on damage and -2 on attacks, as you can´t really use the bow properly. Note that each +1 costs 100 GM extra.
Stefan
Everything I've seen with characters online, level 1, starting with a regular composite longbow, use their full strength modifier added to damage.
That is wrong, unless the mod is +0. I would wonder where regular 1st level characters would get the money from to buy a higher-strength bow - a bow allowing you to fully use STR 18 (+4) would cost 500 GM, and even for STR 12(+1) it would still be 200 GM, which 1st level characters should not be able to afford.
A default composite longbow has a strength modifier of +0, so anyone with a strength of 10 or better can use it without penalty but the "pull" would not be strong enough for a character of 12 strength or better to add his strength bouns.
Conversely a character with a 16 strength would need a +3 mighty bow to add his full strength bonus. anything less would be the maximum damage he could add.
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comosite bows cost more to make the stronger the pull. Long bow is 100 GP per strength bonus.And that is beyond the flat 100GP for a strait d8 bow. Short bows are 75GP.
You want a plus 3 composite long bow you ARE going to hav to pay 400GP.
NO, first leveler fresh out of pathfinder school is going to have that until they earn some street cred.
Read the whole weapon and price entery people.
last comment not meant for those who do.
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comosite bows cost more to make the stronger the pull. Long bow is 100 GP per strength bonus.And that is beyond the flat 100GP for a strait d8 bow. Short bows are 75GP.
You want a plus 3 composite long bow you ARE going to hav to pay 400GP.
NO, first leveler fresh out of pathfinder school is going to have that until they earn some street cred.
Read the whole weapon and price entery people.
last comment not meant for those who do.
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Rich Parents trait: character begins play with 900 gp.
This is unless you craft the bow yourself, which makes the bow 134 GP (Rounded up). Just takes the right skill and the right roll.
Some GM's allow you to start with items your character created, some don't. As always, consult your GM. It helps if you have a good reason (besides the fact that it's cheaper).
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comosite bows cost more to make the stronger the pull. Long bow is 100 GP per strength bonus.And that is beyond the flat 100GP for a strait d8 bow. Short bows are 75GP.
You want a plus 3 composite long bow you ARE going to hav to pay 400GP.
NO, first leveler fresh out of pathfinder school is going to have that until they earn some street cred.
Read the whole weapon and price entery people.
last comment not meant for those who do.
Repeating previous statement for correct quote:
If the character creates their own bow, it's about 134 GP (Rounded up) to do so. Some GM's allow this at character creation, some don't. As always, ask your GM before you try. Helps to have a good character reason to do so as well.
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comosite bows cost more to make the stronger the pull. Long bow is 100 GP per strength bonus.And that is beyond the flat 100GP for a strait d8 bow. Short bows are 75GP.
You want a plus 3 composite long bow you ARE going to hav to pay 400GP.
NO, first leveler fresh out of pathfinder school is going to have that until they earn some street cred.
Read the whole weapon and price entery people.
last comment not meant for those who do.
Repeating previous statement for correct quote:
If the character creates their own bow, it's about 134 GP (Rounded up) to do so. Some GM's allow this at character creation, some don't. As always, ask your GM before you try. Helps to have a good character reason to do so as well.
At least that would be for the +3 STR Composite Longbow.
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Rich Parents trait: character begins play with 900 gp.
Quoting this for emphasis because I did this in the campaign I'm in currently and it has paid of awesomely (18 Str and a +4 Composite Longbow).
Not to mention it was stated by developers of the game in previous threads that you can UPGRADE the Strength needed and the bonus by paying a craftsman 100g.
So for example:
You start with a 13 Str rating so you pay 100g for a Composite Longbow (No Str rating on bow).
Do a few jobs and earn 300g.
Take the bow to town and pay the craftsman 100g to make it a +1 Composite Longbow.
Still worth the early investment.
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Rich Parents trait: character begins play with 900 gp.Quoting this for emphasis because I did this in the campaign I'm in currently and it has paid of awesomely (18 Str and a +4 Composite Longbow).
Not to mention it was stated by developers of the game in previous threads that you can UPGRADE the Strength needed and the bonus by paying a craftsman 100g.
So for example:
You start with a 13 Str rating so you pay 100g for a Composite Longbow (No Str rating on bow).
Do a few jobs and earn 300g.
Take the bow to town and pay the craftsman 100g to make it a +1 Composite Longbow.Still worth the early investment.
I've never heard that you can upgrade a bow's strength rating. I thought it was like masterwork, the quality is determined at creation.
another point though, is that in pathfinder society, you can spend 2 prestige points and obtain an item up to 750gp in value from your faction...you can buy a +6 strength composite bow this way, or a darkwood composite +3 strength bow.