Brass Knuckles + Grapple


Rules Questions


If you wear the brass knuckles you have -4 penalty in grapple attempts?


I would say no, there is no penalty.
The context you didn`t mention to your question is the ´-4 penalty for humanoids who don´t have 2 hands free´ issue, presumably. The thing is that the Grapple rules don´t specify ´free´ FOR WHAT. Brass Knuckles let you carry items in that hand (and if you aren´t carrying anyt hing, your hand would be free in that sense), but you can´t WIELD a weapon in that hand. Nothing in the Grapple rules suggests that the ´free hand´ is in reference to being able to WIELD an item, so I would defer to saying that Brass Knuckles don´t interfere with Grappling. And after all, it would be VERY common to have 2 Brass Knuckles, one on each hand, which would prevent Grappling COMPLETELY if one assumes that being unable to WIELD a weapon counts as not having a free hand for purposes of Grappling.

Hope that helps.

Liberty's Edge

Quandary wrote:

I would say no, there is no penalty.

The context you didn`t mention to your question is the ´-4 penalty for humanoids who don´t have 2 hands free´ issue, presumably. The thing is that the Grapple rules don´t specify ´free´ FOR WHAT. Brass Knuckles let you carry items in that hand (and if you aren´t carrying anyt hing, your hand would be free in that sense), but you can´t WIELD a weapon in that hand. Nothing in the Grapple rules suggests that the ´free hand´ is in reference to being able to WIELD an item, so I would defer to saying that Brass Knuckles don´t interfere with Grappling. And after all, it would be VERY common to have 2 Brass Knuckles, one on each hand, which would prevent Grappling COMPLETELY if one assumes that being unable to WIELD a weapon counts as not having a free hand for purposes of Grappling.

Hope that helps.

I think that's a bit of a stretch. If you don't have enough control to wield a weapon you don't have enough control to get a grip on someone/something.


Hm, I don´t see anything in Grapple that suggests you are ´Wielding´ your Opponent.
And likewise, I don´t see any reason why somebody with 2 Brass Knuckles couldn´t make (¨Armed¨ Unarmed) Disarm attempts to... get a grip on something that somebody else is holding. /my2c

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